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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

> Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Musk has become a partisan brand. I'd guess HN tends classically liberal (whether left-liberal or libertarian). That and apolitical.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

#33
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Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

#34
post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

Plenty of independent, valid reasons to dislike the guy. Some of them are purely political. Some have nothing to do with politics. You might not agree or value these, but that isn't the same as them being invalid:

1) he's an anti-trans right winger. If you aren't, you might dislike him.

2) he's boastful and prideful, which some people find irritating.

3) he lies, constantly about the capabilities and timeliness of his companies. If you are excited about EVs or space or tunnel boring you might dislike the hype->reality->hype cycle.

4) guy is... kinda just an asshole online?

5) if you believe billionaires are fundamentally people who got their money exploitatively, you'll dislike musk.

6) you might disagree with his stewardship of key technologies in space or evs. He's made prioritization decisions one might disagree with.

7) he made high speed rail in California more difficult through the hyperloop nonsense

8) he's anti worker and anti union, and many people here are workers or union members and find the way he treats his employees as unethical.

9) he's has a history of having many children out of wedlock, and kinda ignoring those children and women

10) he has positions about birth rates that could be just esoteric or could be great replacement theory racism and it's unclear which is true.

Probably many reasons beyond these. If someone believes one of these, they might leave a pretty tepid comment.

If someone believes multiple of these, odds are good they'll see Musk as a villain.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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post #16

It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after his pedo comments in regards to the cave rescuers. The smart/geeky/techy guy is a facade. I mainly would not consider Tesla because of Musk. The poor build quality just reinforces that stance.

Lucid Air is quite a nice car.

My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene? It's good to know where these people stand.

> Why is Musk be loud about his politics worse than other billionaires being quiet but equally active in the political scene?

Musk's involvement is on the level of e.g. Rupert Murdoch or the Adelsons. It's well beyond even most billionaires' political activities.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

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The wealth inequality is growing in the US, while lower class is struggling. The kind of wealth Musk, Bezos, Gates have should be taxed a lot higher. They have teams searching for loop holes. The system is unfair for the average guy.

How did ALL federal agencies target musk? He is literally getting funding from the government.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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post #35
post #16

It is only going to get worse for Tesla. Musk went all in extreme right-wing. Even though most "green" buyers are left leaning. I started disliking Musk after his pedo comments in regards to the cave rescuers. The smart/geeky/techy guy is a facade. I mainly would not consider Tesla because of Musk. The poor build quality just reinforces that stance.

Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Lucid is a bit too expensive for me. However, Hyundai seems to make decent EVs. I will consider one after I upgrade my electrical panel to support decent charge speed.
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