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The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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Possibly unpopular opinion: PowerPoint is just a tool, and most people not only suck at making slides but are poor storytellers to boot. If you are a good storyteller and can effectively use the medium (as in, not just dump a bunch of bullets on a slide), you can actually convey a lot of information in a combined slide + narrative format.

This holds for everything. Everything is a tool and always stating "It's just a tool, people are using it wrong", doesn't constitute an argument. A tool should be judged on it's usefulness and if a tool is "misused" 90% of the time, it may be worth considering whether it is a good tool at what it aims to achieve.

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the age of LLMs there is no point in writing long prose. The more content is generated the more people will move to higher information density formats. Why bother with generating long text if the reader is going to summarise it with a LLM anyway? OTOH - citing Ben Affleck: "why would I bother to read something you didn't bother to write?"

What has a higher information density than text? Or do you mean that writing will evolve to become increasingly higher density?

I meant evolution of writing.

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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post #7

Nobody has the patience anymore to be presented to or read in any form other than bullet points and low information density charts. I grew up before computers and learned to communicate in the absence of all the short attention span distractions that exist today. I remember the first time I picked up a Wired magazine and couldn’t tolerate the insane lack of continuity. I still cannot stand the video style of images p…

> I remember the first time I picked up a Wired magazine and couldn’t tolerate the insane lack of continuity.

I've never been able to articulate why I couldn't stand Wired so succinctly! Thankyou

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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Some of Tufte's criticism of slide bullets is not specific to PowerPoint, but could be extended to software which work with nested nodes like Roam/Workflowy(software which I like). Workflowy, in fact, allows you to convert a tree of nodes into a linear presentation. Wittgenstein also wrote his classic books as numbered nodes (though not nested).

Indeed, this can also be seen as a critique of structured code editors vs text editing. Mathematics books also follow tree structure a bit, (Def 6.3.1, Example 6.3.2), though there often is some connecting narrative.

The point about oversimplification to fit into a single slide is specific to PowerPoint. But, the critique that organization into discrete nodes often skips over an underlying narrative or a causal structure which connects the nodes is more general.

What can be said in defense of discrete organization? Firstly, the overall narrative is not initially apparent. Listing the pieces together can help to discover this structure.

Secondly, in long essays, the larger point often gets buried in the details. This is especially true in mathematical works where the purpose of a complicated definition/result is only seen a long time later. This also happens in source code, where a lot of preprocessing obscures the central purpose of a function (though of course, source code is not a candidate for a report with sentences anyway).

By forcing these documents to become less dense, the narrative actually becomes more apparent. Whereas with a dense document, the reader's attention can wander away before the punchline.

One issue that Tufte seems to not discuss in the oversimplification critique is that attention/time is limited. Since an organization leader cant read all reports 3 levels down the ladder (either usual style reports or nested trees), there needs to be a strategy for marking specific reports as important and also to mark which details from the document need to be passed on to higher levels of decision making and which details should be only relevant to middle managers.

In the Columbia report, the problem is not oversimplification but that the critical conclusion was mentioned as a low level detail whereas a methodology of choosing a 'conservative' model became the heading.

Could a usual technical report have avoided this issue? The 'conservative' phrase could well have been a section heading and the damage indicated in sentence buried inside the section. But a technical report also has a 'Conclusion' section which could have forced the authors to state their position clearly. This 'Conclusion' section is implicitly a protocol for which information in the report has to be passed up to a higher level. IPCC Reports have a 'Summary for Policymakers' in discrete points (https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/chapter/spm/). Tufte, for some reason, doesn't like "Executive Summary".

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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Meh.

What’s the meeting about? That’s the more important question.

Is this a decision making meeting? Is there one person making the decision or several?

Is this instead informational in nature? Are people supposed to understand the gist from this and do deeper research afterwards? Or should they come to the presentation already informed in some way?

PowerPoint is primarily a method for the speaker to organize their story, and secondarily for the audience to have visual landmarks to aid memory.

If you do anything else, you’re probably not planning your meetings properly.

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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post #11

Possibly unpopular opinion: PowerPoint is just a tool, and most people not only suck at making slides but are poor storytellers to boot. If you are a good storyteller and can effectively use the medium (as in, not just dump a bunch of bullets on a slide), you can actually convey a lot of information in a combined slide + narrative format.

I think a major part of being bad presenters is that they don't train but think that they can do well with just a quick go-over of the materials.

Becoming good takes a lot of hard work, lot of redoing of stuff. Just like becoming good at soccer is more than playing games. Many successful YouTubers have learned it's hard work to make good videos.

Like Penn&Teller said: The only secret of magic is that I’m willing to work harder on it than you think it’s worth.

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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Is there some reason why Edward Tufte isn’t being properly being credited anywhere? This is copyrighted material.

educational materials that were originally linked through a proper citation/credit acknowledgement, but thats how hyperlinks work -- its not like someone stole the only copy.

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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post #28

There's no single "style of PowerPoint". People use it for various, different, things, and if you look at a deck made for one purpose through the lens of another, it'll look atrociously bad. You can use PowerPoint (or Google Slides, etc) to make: * Make visuals for your talk (in person, or over zoom); your talk is the main thing, and the backing visuals are there to focus people on what you're saying. Those kinds of…

> There's no single "style of PowerPoint".

Sure there is: https://norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm

Powerpoint presentations have a distinct content and character arising from the medium. The style of powerpoint is:

* 3-5 Bullet points in a big font

  * With indents if at all possible
* Plot with no more than 8 data points

* Prepared and researched in advance, nothing off-the-cuff

* No corrections or clarifications or shifts in focus, it's not possible to edit slides on the fly

* One person 'on stage' with a clicker while everyone else listens quietly

* I don't know if this video is going to play or not

Re: The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint (2006) [pdf]

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post #28

There's no single "style of PowerPoint". People use it for various, different, things, and if you look at a deck made for one purpose through the lens of another, it'll look atrociously bad. You can use PowerPoint (or Google Slides, etc) to make: * Make visuals for your talk (in person, or over zoom); your talk is the main thing, and the backing visuals are there to focus people on what you're saying. Those kinds of…

> There's no single "style of PowerPoint". Sure there is: https://norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm Powerpoint presentations have a distinct content and character arising from the medium. The style of powerpoint is: * 3-5 Bullet points in a big font * With indents if at all possible * Plot with no more than 8 data points * Prepared and researched in advance, nothing off-the-cuff * No corrections or clarifications or s…

Let's add:

* afterward you might think yourself successful if someone "asks for the slides"

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