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Re: Brave Care Has Closed

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Don't get the wrong idea about this announcement. The problem is not that pediatric urgent care is not a viable business. The problem is that it's not a great VC-funded business. VC investors are hoping for huge growth and eventually earning back multiples of their investment. That's going to be really hard to do in this segment of the health-care market. We've got a wonderful pediatric urgent-care place in our area,…

Geriatric care will be the gold rush of the 2040s. If I knew a solid way to invest in that, I would.

Private equity has already beat you there and senior housing in the USA and there are already REITs that specialize in nursing homes.

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Don't get the wrong idea about this announcement. The problem is not that pediatric urgent care is not a viable business. The problem is that it's not a great VC-funded business. VC investors are hoping for huge growth and eventually earning back multiples of their investment. That's going to be really hard to do in this segment of the health-care market. We've got a wonderful pediatric urgent-care place in our area,…

Geriatric care will be the gold rush of the 2040s. If I knew a solid way to invest in that, I would.

Buy a house, employ 6 nurses?

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... are you joking? Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries in the United States. Want to be a doctor? You've got the aptitude, the knowledge, the mindset, and the will, but a government-guaranteed cartel of medical schools won't let you in, so too damn bad. Learn to code. Want to open a clinic? You really only need about a half-million in hardware to operate at the level of a 1980s hospital, but regulator…

> Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries in the United States. And yet other countries have even more regulation, and manage to deliver cheaper and more equitable healthcare overall, with better public health outcomes when measured at the national level For example: in Australia, the federal government is a near-monopsony purchaser of prescription drugs, so it has enormous negotiating power with the pharm…

Most Americans don't want equitable healthcare they want the best they can afford and they want the newest treatments available.

The waiting for the patent to expire and buying in bulk keep down the costs down works. The US couldn't use the generic strategy because the drug companies get funded and create the new drugs this way. Cutting off the funding would mean no new drugs to copy so no new generics. Australia would have to start funding research.

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> Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries in the United States. And yet other countries have even more regulation, and manage to deliver cheaper and more equitable healthcare overall, with better public health outcomes when measured at the national level For example: in Australia, the federal government is a near-monopsony purchaser of prescription drugs, so it has enormous negotiating power with the pharm…

Most Americans don't want equitable healthcare they want the best they can afford and they want the newest treatments available. The waiting for the patent to expire and buying in bulk keep down the costs down works. The US couldn't use the generic strategy because the drug companies get funded and create the new drugs this way. Cutting off the funding would mean no new drugs to copy so no new generics. Australia wou…

> The waiting for the patent to expire

That's not what the Australian government does.

Even for prescription drugs still under patent, the federal government negotiating on behalf of the whole country as a monopsony purchaser can demand (and get) much bigger discounts. (A monopoly is when a market effectively has only one seller, a monopsony is when a market effectively has only one buyer.)

Whereas, in the US, each insurer negotiates separately, so all but the very largest have weaker bargaining power than the Australian government has, simply because they don't represent as many insureds. The US has over 1000 health insurers, only the top two or three (such as UnitedHealth Group) have more insureds than the Australian government has (26 million).

Plus, even though a handful of very large US insurers such as UnitedHealth have more insureds than the Australian government does, the fact that the Australian government is a sovereign state and not just the purchaser but also the regulator and legislator gives it additional negotiating clout that such private insurers lack. Also, if UnitedHealth refuses to reach a deal with the drug manufacturer, they risk losing insurance customers to other insurers who are willing to do so; Australians can't realistically switch public health insurers (moving overseas is the only real way; private health insurance usually has very modest prescription drug benefits)

> Australia would have to start funding research.

Australia actually does have significant medical research funding. Unfortunately it seems to be a struggle to find good data on exactly how much (in easily comparable terms, such as %GDP) – the WHO's statistics [0] on this topic are missing both the US and Australia for whatever reason. But even in the absence of hard figures, I'd totally believe the US spends at least double (on a % GDP basis). But I think that's part of a broader economic problem with Australian underspending on R&D (both public and private) which goes beyond just health.

The other problem I know, is Australia has largely lost its ability to productise pharmaceutical innovations (outside of certain niche areas), which means even when some novel drug is discovered in Australia, they need to turn to to a US or European company to turn it into a product. But that's more a consequence of poor industrial policy (most of Australia's pharmaceutical manufacturing sector moved overseas, and what's left is mostly lower-end stuff like vitamins and herbal supplements, with rare exceptions such as CSL) than anything to do with drug pricing.

[0] https://www.who.int/observatories/global-observatory-on-heal...

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Don't get the wrong idea about this announcement. The problem is not that pediatric urgent care is not a viable business. The problem is that it's not a great VC-funded business. VC investors are hoping for huge growth and eventually earning back multiples of their investment. That's going to be really hard to do in this segment of the health-care market. We've got a wonderful pediatric urgent-care place in our area,…

Geriatric care will be the gold rush of the 2040s. If I knew a solid way to invest in that, I would.

The Gaetz family probably owns this sector.

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Very difficult to disrupt American healthcare when health insurance companies determine your rates, direct pay patients often the most vulnerable, and instead of focusing on patient care you have to focus on stupid administrative tasks to deal with different types of health insurance plans/pharmacy benefit managers/vendors. Thanks to decades of neo-liberalism (the idea of deregulation and "free market" economy). Amer…

... are you joking? Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries in the United States. Want to be a doctor? You've got the aptitude, the knowledge, the mindset, and the will, but a government-guaranteed cartel of medical schools won't let you in, so too damn bad. Learn to code. Want to open a clinic? You really only need about a half-million in hardware to operate at the level of a 1980s hospital, but regulator…

You also forgot that you'll have to apply for a Certificate of Need, which (while simplifying) allows other clinics and hospitals in the area to say they think you should be allowed to, and it won't cause them to have too few patients to see...

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Geriatric care will be the gold rush of the 2040s. If I knew a solid way to invest in that, I would.

This mindset (that it will be a goldrush) is why we can't have nice things. Can't trust capitalism to do this kind of stuff in a non-exploitative way

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... are you joking? Healthcare is one of the most regulated industries in the United States. Want to be a doctor? You've got the aptitude, the knowledge, the mindset, and the will, but a government-guaranteed cartel of medical schools won't let you in, so too damn bad. Learn to code. Want to open a clinic? You really only need about a half-million in hardware to operate at the level of a 1980s hospital, but regulator…

How come it's cheaper in places where everyone has insurance?

Because everybody besides the US regulates prices.

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Cool - that sounds a bit like our NHS. You also said "What will happen to the bills?" - what does that mean? Cheers Jon

Some of the bills are just written off as bad debt. Essentially thrown away. But in many cases the hospital back office will work to get indigent patients enrolled in Medicaid and then send the bills to the state government.

Socialized medicine with extra steps and 500 middlemen all skimming off the top
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