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Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by 082349872349872 »

sbuk wrote: post #6
OutOfHere wrote: post #5

I don't advise posting to Lobsters for these reasons: 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. 2. The users there have a major case of groupthink, much worse than us here, considering they don't even allow outsiders to register it they're not recommended by someone on the inside. Inbred is the label…

> The users there have a major case of groupthink Isn’t that a common feature of most forums? The orange site, in particular, isn’t generally regarded outside of its own bubble as a bastion of independent thought…

> ...as a bastion of independent thought…

The long tail on this site is what keeps bringing me back, although I must admit it took both swapping to RSS and manually filtering with an acceptance of Sturgeon's Law to wade through the "Make Mone¥ Fa$t" slush.

(note that the —to my mind, misguided— focus on the front pages means TFA misses a lot of the overlap between the two sites)

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by gosub100 »

bb88 wrote: post #12
pierrec wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about lobsters, but every time I see an opinion posted on HN, it seems to get immediately followed by a contrary opinion. I've also changed the settings so the website no longer appears orange, but I'm probably still in the bubble anyways.

Sometimes I post a comment to agree with something someone has written. Like here.

You just invoked Russell's paradox.

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by wodenokoto »

marcus0x62 wrote: post #2

I recognize several of the “unique to Lobsters” links as being on the HN front page over the past few days. E.g: https://www.fastmail.com/blog/why-we-use-our-own-hardware https://avi.im/blag/2024/sqlite-past-present-future

Oh, man. Even the comments are overlapping!

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by roryokane »

OutOfHere wrote: post #5

I don't advise posting to Lobsters for these reasons: 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. 2. The users there have a major case of groupthink, much worse than us here, considering they don't even allow outsiders to register it they're not recommended by someone on the inside. Inbred is the label…

> 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think.

Really? As a Lobsters reader, I occasionally review the first page of the Lobsters Moderation Log, which is public for transparency’s sake: https://lobste.rs/moderations. And I’ve never seen any log about a story’s authorship being reassigned, whether for a good reason or a bad one.

According to my reading of the source code of Lobsters (https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters/blob/96cf0b32ee81bb1bd7...), such a change would be described in the Moderation Log as “changed user from the_original_user to another_user”. I just searched all moderation logs of story changes in the last two years (39 pages of logs), and no log contains the string “changed user from”. So whether “stealing” of posts ever happened, I don’t think Lobsters users have to worry about that happening now.

Or are you also accusing the mods of hiding those specific changes from the Moderation Log somehow?

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by OutOfHere »

roryokane wrote: post #35
OutOfHere wrote: post #5

I don't advise posting to Lobsters for these reasons: 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. 2. The users there have a major case of groupthink, much worse than us here, considering they don't even allow outsiders to register it they're not recommended by someone on the inside. Inbred is the label…

> 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. Really? As a Lobsters reader, I occasionally review the first page of the Lobsters Moderation Log, which is public for transparency’s sake: https://lobste.rs/moderations . And I’ve never seen any log about a story’s authorship being reassigned, whether for…

It happened to me within the past year, but I imagine it happened in a different way than the one you analyzed. The mods allow the link to be reposted under a different author who is their friend, then hide the original post, and group the original post under the new post. The new post is then promoted and gets all the credit for the link.

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by OutOfHere »

viraptor wrote: post #28
OutOfHere wrote: post #5

I don't advise posting to Lobsters for these reasons: 1. The mods there can "steal" your post and any credit for it, reassigning its authorship to one of their friends. This happens more often than you would think. 2. The users there have a major case of groupthink, much worse than us here, considering they don't even allow outsiders to register it they're not recommended by someone on the inside. Inbred is the label…

> The community hates AI, and will downvote any valid submission just to drag you down to the lowest denominator. There's lots of links and decent comments on those: https://lobste.rs/t/ai I wouldn't describe it as anything close to "hates".

A number of very legitimate AI posts on their site get downvoted and disappear. This is pretty bad for the posting user. Such posts do fine on here for comparison.

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by viraptor »

OutOfHere wrote: post #38
viraptor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The community hates AI, and will downvote any valid submission just to drag you down to the lowest denominator. There's lots of links and decent comments on those: https://lobste.rs/t/ai I wouldn't describe it as anything close to "hates".

A number of very legitimate AI posts on their site get downvoted and disappear. This is pretty bad for the posting user. Such posts do fine on here for comparison.

I checked https://lobste.rs/moderations for deleted AI stories going back to October. There's nothing I can find there. Downvoting through flagging - any examples?

Re: Lobste.rs/Hacker News links overlap

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Post by 082349872349872 »

krapp wrote: post #13
sbuk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The users there have a major case of groupthink Isn’t that a common feature of most forums? The orange site, in particular, isn’t generally regarded outside of its own bubble as a bastion of independent thought…

Lobsters is trying to do the same thing as Hacker News - avoid the Eternal September effect at all costs. It just has more direct and overt methods of maintaining and enforcing its culture than here, and that starts with barring the door against the rabble.

I wonder if the Dutch Strategy might work for a link aggregator: explicitly provide a well-signposted "front page", where the rabble congregates and the groupthink is at its Grundyest, yet implicitly expect any non-Septemberist discussions to occur well away from those few sacrificial links?
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