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The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by casenmgreen »

yoavm wrote: post #25
fifilura wrote: post #2

Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the...

If you've never visited the Stockholm archipelago, I highly recommend it. In fact, I think it's perhaps the best thing about Stockholm, and one of the most beautiful places in the world in general — if you're into sailing, islands and seas. It's almost too easy to find an island just for yourself for the weekend, and "Allemansrätten", the law that grants people the right to access wilderness, only makes it even more…

Also, the superb torpedo museum!

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by LtWorf »

eesmith wrote: post #27
fifilura wrote: post #2

Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the...

Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_…

In sweden if you dig a canal around some land, they call the result an island.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by CPLX »

eesmith wrote: post #27
fifilura wrote: post #2

Tangential, after reading the description of the archipelago. Sweden is the country with most islands in the world, followed by Norway and Finland. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-countries-have-the...

Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_…

There’s just literally no possible way that Sweden has an order of magnitude more islands than the US or Canada.

Open up Google Earth and scan around northern coastlines of all these countries and you’ll laugh at the premise of this article.

With that said I wouldn’t be surprised if they have the most documented/counted islands. That’s another thing entirely and also sort of interesting I suppose.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by wildzzz »

unwind wrote: post #20
ninalanyon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doe it need to blend in? It's not a secret installation. The cabin is discreet simply because the red paint is the traditional colour for pretty much all rural plank clad non-residential buildings in Scandinavia. I doubt that any thought went into the colour scheme.

It's called Falu red [1], btw. Made from mining residual products and originally liked because it resembled luxurious brick. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falu_red

Also common in early farm structures in America too which could likely be due to large immigration from Scandinavia. The iron oxide acts as an anti-fungal as well.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by cyberax »

CPLX wrote: post #33
eesmith wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_…

There’s just literally no possible way that Sweden has an order of magnitude more islands than the US or Canada. Open up Google Earth and scan around northern coastlines of all these countries and you’ll laugh at the premise of this article. With that said I wouldn’t be surprised if they have the most documented/counted islands. That’s another thing entirely and also sort of interesting I suppose.

It's actually quite an interesting question. The West Coast of the contiguous US has almost no islands, you really start getting "islandy" only in the Puget Sound.

The East Coast has more islands, but then you need to decide how you classify the river deltas. Is a bump in a brackish swamp an island or not?

On the other hand, Sweden has thousands of really small but also well-defined islands. They can be just several square meters in area, but they are well above the water and clearly separated from the main landmass.

Alaska has similar terrain, though.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by squarefoot »

LtWorf wrote: post #32
eesmith wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_…

In sweden if you dig a canal around some land, they call the result an island.

Does the canal make a fjord if one forgets to finish it?

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #14
mrbluecoat wrote: post #7

Good thing they have a giant neon green spindle of fiber optic cable right next to the discreet cabin to help it blend in..

Undersea cables are also marked explicitly on all nautical charts. If a rented pleasure boat can, with plausible deniability as to intentionality, drag a hook across the sea floor and easily get away, the cabin isn’t the issue. This isn’t the main weak point.

And the nautical charts are published by the responsible Swedish agency as well: https://geokatalog.sjofartsverket.se/kartvisarefyren/

Undersea cables are the squiggly lines.

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

Looking at the sea charts[1] of the archipelago and following a few undersea cables, I think it might be this cabin[2], which roughly matches with a map on GlobalConnects website[3].

Funnily enough, it's right next to a base of the Swedish military.

[1]: https://geokatalog.sjofartsverket.se/kartvisarefyren/

[2]: https://maps.app.goo.gl/6mYHFhaUp7Jzx1X69

[3]: https://globalconnectcarrier.com/our-network/

Re: The Swedish cabin on the frontline of a possible hybrid war

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Post by johanneskanybal »

CPLX wrote: post #33
eesmith wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they use the same methods to define "island"? The section for Australia seems very broad: "Australia itself dominates the islands around its coastal fringe, which range in size from smaller rocks that are not covered by water at high tide to ..." While it says the US has 18,617 islands, I struggle to find an official source for that very precise number. I also see how https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_…

There’s just literally no possible way that Sweden has an order of magnitude more islands than the US or Canada. Open up Google Earth and scan around northern coastlines of all these countries and you’ll laugh at the premise of this article. With that said I wouldn’t be surprised if they have the most documented/counted islands. That’s another thing entirely and also sort of interesting I suppose.

It all depends on what you count/map. By some european definition Sweden has 24 islands if you discount all the small ones. We basically have an extreme anount of small ones from the last ice age.

Bit whatever, it’s a great place to sail/visit no matter how you count.

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