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Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

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Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#31

I don’t quite understand why they don’t just let trusted users manually rate search results and feed that through AI to determine ranking penalties similar but not exactly like Kagi.

https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9281931?hl=en

They're already doing that with paid quality raters. I suppose your question is about opening this up more widely, but that's basically giving those spammers a tool to directly influence the ranking, which is going to be even worse.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#33
post #6

Just goes to show you how far behind the SEO scammers Google is. Despite being bigger and wealthier Google simply can’t catch the more nimble SEO scammers

I'm pretty sure Google is milking them now by just selling ad words, they no longer care about the search results, just how much money they make

This is a prevalent misconception that assumes advertisers don't care about how their money is spent! Advertisers and Google are actually concerned about SEO garbage. Nowadays, most advertisers tend to pay based on # of conversions, its value and ROI. Those spammy sites usually yield a garbage CVR even though their CTR seems great. Advertisers don't like this.

Looks like people don't acknowledge that # of clicks is no more important metric. That seemed to be important when it was the only meaningful performance metric. But the ultimate metric that matters to money is advertiser budget allocation. If they see Google search performs worse in terms of conversions, they will cut their budget there. And this is the real problem that Google has.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#34
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure Google is milking them now by just selling ad words, they no longer care about the search results, just how much money they make

This is a prevalent misconception that assumes advertisers don't care about how their money is spent! Advertisers and Google are actually concerned about SEO garbage. Nowadays, most advertisers tend to pay based on # of conversions, its value and ROI. Those spammy sites usually yield a garbage CVR even though their CTR seems great. Advertisers don't like this. Looks like people don't acknowledge that # of clicks is n…

Where else is that money being spent?

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#35

So sick of dealing with Google, between this, the play store, admob, etc. They'll punish you for the slightest things, have zero meaningful customer service/means of recourse, and in many cases don't have a way to even reach out to customer service (admob's email option is visible but throws an error every time you click it). Not to mention, they try to steer you towards their useless "community forums" that sre fill…

Call your representative and tell them you believe Google is behaving in anti-competitive, trust like behavior.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#36

geo location trick is absolutely fascinating!

And also absolutely trivial to detect automatically. The fact that Google doesn't do it proves they don't give a shit about improving search quality beyond superficial efforts whose main objective is just to make it look like they do. Maybe the fact that most spam sites have Google Analytics & Ads has something to do with it?

You can’t prove a negative.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#37

Just goes to show you how far behind the SEO scammers Google is. Despite being bigger and wealthier Google simply can’t catch the more nimble SEO scammers

It’s getting harder and harder for me to find real answers on Google. For a little while DDG was doing okay but they seem to be just as bad if not worse now.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#38
The images are too small for me to make out the search terms. It seems like they're casino and crypto related? The whole category is a cess pit. I'm not sure there's any such thing as good rankings in that area. My concern for quality of search results from Google in this category is close to zero.

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#39

So sick of dealing with Google, between this, the play store, admob, etc. They'll punish you for the slightest things, have zero meaningful customer service/means of recourse, and in many cases don't have a way to even reach out to customer service (admob's email option is visible but throws an error every time you click it). Not to mention, they try to steer you towards their useless "community forums" that sre fill…

Web hosting site I worked for had way too much of its traffic from Google spidering. Vanity URLs make them hit you like a ton of bricks. If you throttle them it reduces your score. If you 429 them that seems to be even worse. Canonical URLs don’t really save you, because they have to load the response to see they’ve already visited (just saves your score not traffic), caching can help somewhat, but if your static pages meant for bots differ too much from the real page then that’s the worst offense of all. So you need internal caching and at the end of the day you just have to scale up to deal with their bullshit. Given that Google sells cloud services, this now looks like a protection racket. Would be a shame if something happened to your website…

Re: Escaping Google's manual reputation penalty and resuming business as usual

#40

I don’t quite understand why they don’t just let trusted users manually rate search results and feed that through AI to determine ranking penalties similar but not exactly like Kagi.

For the same reason Twitter, Facebook and other anti-social media companies fired there Trust and Safety teams. The parasitic elite can't trust hoomans to not turn on them and promote sites and ideas that they consider dangerous to there rule. This is the reason A.I. has risen in prominence, and is clearly biased when talking about the class war.

Are there explicit examples of bias in AI when talking about the class war?
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