How do you go to from that screen shot to this conclusion?
"Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
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Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#32This is why Nvidia needs competition. I love the performance of their hardware and the quality of their drivers, but I don't love being their customer. They have a long, long history of price discrimination using techniques like this. Back in the day it was "workstation" graphics for CAD programs that they would nerf for consumer cards by downgrading various features of OpenGL. Different markets, same techniques. It'…
they have to do that to server different segments. how would you price a 4090 that can be used for crypto, gaming, ai, cad, video editing if you were to discover that is cheaper to create the same chips for all of them, but the segments are really different, 90% coming from datacenter and 10% from gaming
we're lucky they still do gaming by limiting the datacenter chips
it's like getting a ferrari speed limited for usd20,000 and then I complain I don't get the acceleration of a usd100,000 model. they sold the product cheaper, they cared, they adapted. I'm happy they are still improving year after year for the same dollar value
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#33I'm ambivalent about this sort of thing (or, as another example, Intel's CPUs many years ago that offered paid firmware upgrades to enable higher performance). On one hand, it's very bad because it reduces economic output from the exact same input resources (materials and labor and r&d). On the other hand, allowing market segmentation, and more profits from the higher segments, allows more progress and scaling for th…
I want to add nvidia sales are 90% data center and 10% gaming, and the author being part of the 10% who wasn't abandoned is complaining they got a product at half the speed, way lower price, instead of half the price same specs as the datacenter client
man.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#34There was a time when Intel seemed unbeatable. In 2000 they had a 500 billion USD valuation. That's almost a trillion dollars in today's (2024) USD. Today they are valued at 90 billion USD and Broadcom was thinking about buying them... My point is these things don't seem to last in tech.
What made Intel seem unbeatable was its process node advantage. Nvidia does not have fabrication plants, so it is able to get the best process node from whoever has it. Nvidia is therefore not vulnerable to what befell Intel. What makes Nvidia seem unbeatable is that Nvidia does the best job on hardware design, does a good job on the software for the hardware and gets its designs out quickly such that they can charge…
Exactly this, hard to grok why people think somehow the fab is the boat anchor around Intel's neck. No, it was the golden goose that kept Intel ahead until it didn't.
BK failed to understand the moat Intel had was the Fab. The moat is now gone and so is the value.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#35This is why Nvidia needs competition. I love the performance of their hardware and the quality of their drivers, but I don't love being their customer. They have a long, long history of price discrimination using techniques like this. Back in the day it was "workstation" graphics for CAD programs that they would nerf for consumer cards by downgrading various features of OpenGL. Different markets, same techniques. It'…
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Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#36This is why Nvidia needs competition. I love the performance of their hardware and the quality of their drivers, but I don't love being their customer. They have a long, long history of price discrimination using techniques like this. Back in the day it was "workstation" graphics for CAD programs that they would nerf for consumer cards by downgrading various features of OpenGL. Different markets, same techniques. It'…
they have to do that to server different segments. how would you price a 4090 that can be used for crypto, gaming, ai, cad, video editing if you were to discover that is cheaper to create the same chips for all of them, but the segments are really different, 90% coming from datacenter and 10% from gaming we're lucky they still do gaming by limiting the datacenter chips it's like getting a ferrari speed limited for us…
They just shouldn't do that. If they can afford to sell the Ferrari for $20k, they should do so. To everyone who wants one, for whatever reason.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#37This is why Nvidia needs competition. I love the performance of their hardware and the quality of their drivers, but I don't love being their customer. They have a long, long history of price discrimination using techniques like this. Back in the day it was "workstation" graphics for CAD programs that they would nerf for consumer cards by downgrading various features of OpenGL. Different markets, same techniques. It'…
speaking of driver quality...my pc has been regularly blue screening after the latest release and the transition from the Experience app to the Nvidia app...
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#38There was a time when Intel seemed unbeatable. In 2000 they had a 500 billion USD valuation. That's almost a trillion dollars in today's (2024) USD. Today they are valued at 90 billion USD and Broadcom was thinking about buying them... My point is these things don't seem to last in tech.
Intel didn't have a software stack moat.
Intel didn't do a lot of things...
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
they have to do that to server different segments. how would you price a 4090 that can be used for crypto, gaming, ai, cad, video editing if you were to discover that is cheaper to create the same chips for all of them, but the segments are really different, 90% coming from datacenter and 10% from gaming we're lucky they still do gaming by limiting the datacenter chips it's like getting a ferrari speed limited for us…
They just shouldn't do that. If they can afford to sell the Ferrari for $20k, they should do so. To everyone who wants one, for whatever reason.
Nah, no thanks. I prefer this because I now have some damned fast GPUs in a rig on the cheap. I’m happy to have my $20k acceleration limited Ferrari.
Re: "Nvidia is so far ahead that all the 4090s are nerfed to half speed"
#40It's interesting how we the people (broadly) accept this practice in software and even some hardware, but not in other areas. Note how frustrated people are when you hear about "unlocking" sensors and services available on cars.
If a product is made, and the cost to provide that product is the same one way or the other but you cripple it to create segmentation, then that is greed. Period. Objectively. And if you're okay with that, then fine, no problem. Just don't try to tell me it isn't maximization of profit.
There are no heroes in the megacorp space, but it would be nice for AMD and Intel to bring Nvidia to heel.