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Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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This kind of reminds me of the original version of the app called Color, where you'd see social posts organized by geo coordinates. Imagine being in a coffee shop and seeing a feed of every post and photo posted from within the coffee shop. The benefit being you could make friends in your area. Does anyone else remember this app? It came out around the same era as Path.

Must have been from a more innocent time.. It sounds super cool until you think about the privacy nightmare it could be? I'm thinking about how people managed to triangulate users locations from grindr, or the cesspit of bullying that YikYak was.

Friggin foursquare! We'd voluntarily tell the world exactly where we were at any given time (and where we weren't - at our homes).

Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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There are so many challenges with building a social app, especially around contacts... I'm not sure how they'll mitigate all this stuff, but fun to think about it and hope they do succeed in doing so anyway.

A few considerations off the top of my head:

- relationships are extremely fragile and can exist in all sorts of awkward middle states, outside of just "friend enough to notify when I'm in town" vs not. the risk of creating awkward meatspace side effects is extremely high with this kind of thing, with very large downside risk that human beings are very attuned to. for example: exes, former bosses or colleagues gone sideways, people you said something weird to once at a party, stalkers, etc. are all people you might have in your contacts

- relatedly, contacts growing out of sync organically over time is actually a feature, not a bug. it's easy to let contacts die when they die by themselves without having to prune them -- and nobody's delicate feelings get hurt by letting this happen

- existing on a mobile phone while not being an attention-sucking nightmare cesspool -- while also not /creating/ another attention-sucking cesspool, despite having all the social data necessary to do so -- seems like an impossible challenge. how do you get people to remember your little app in a sea of Trending Flamebait notifications? (others have noted this related to funding model, but that part feels surmountable, especially as a passion project from a billionaire)

Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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To me, this looks like a fantastic idea, and something that could be really useful in a niche, but I think it's going to fly over the head of a lot of folk because it's fairly obviously targeted at highly mobile, maybe HNWI's who do a lot of travel - it's not going to be useful for "most" people.

Similar vibes to lawmakers that have public hearings with airline execs and talk about air travel issues as if it's an issue American voters frequently think about.

Most Americans travel 0-2 times per year. About half don't fly at all.

Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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Huh. At the risk of being crude, this is already a feature of queer hookup apps, including recording your plans and seeing who else in your network will be attending an event or visiting your area.

Queers always lead the way, without queers bluesky never would have taken off

Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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he doesn't discuss financials, but that's my first and only question: how is this gonna be funded if it takes off?

the monetization hopes are mentioned in the FAQ on the website: https://www.mozi.app/faqs (tldr: freemium)

ev also does mention in the NYTimes article, for those that have NYT subs

"They shared stories about reconnecting with old friends via the app — moments that seemed valuable enough that customers might pay for it, he said. Mozi is free, but plans to charge for premium features it develops."

(disclosure: i work on the mozi app)

Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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"The primary value proposition of Mozi (today) is simple: It lets you know when you’re going to be in the same place (city or event) as someone you know."

This is fairly shortsighted. How many people actually travel from city to city. I bet the vast majority of people have a 3km bubble around their house and work and that's as far as they travel 90% of the time. Additionally, it tracks when you are going to an event. At that point, you are already out of the house around other people.

I like the idea of an app that is "private. Non-performative. No public profiles. No public status competitions. No follower counts. No strangers." but I think it doesn't need to hinge on always going out and traveling. It should simply prompt you to check in with friends (not in the mental health status way) but simply "Hey, you haven't chatted with Sarah recently, say Hi" or "Steve's birthday is coming up, wish him a Happy Birthday". Simply just connecting with friends will perhaps result in "IRL" connections, but basing the whole app on connecting after those plans are made seems a bit "cart before the horse".

Re: Making “social” social again: Announcing Mozi

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I wish you the best with your social app, but I'd like to offer a cautionary tail.

Barq, a furry fandom-focused app, has some of the same features. It's primarily for local meetups or seeing when your friends are in town for a convention. Unfortunately, Barq's location data has been used to dox and harass people before (even though they implemented a system that returned "fuzzy" GPS results).

If the primary value of the app is "know when person A is at location X", think through all of the ways this information could be used to hurt people. Even contrived and silly ways. And then try to safeguard it as much as possible.

I recently shared a blog post about how BlueSky could implement "limited audiences" without changing their current infrastructure. (Spoiler: It involves state-of-the-art cryptography.) It may be worth reading.

https://soatok.blog/2024/11/29/imagining-private-airspaces-f...

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