Very happy to see the punishment start against Matt, and I sincerely hope it continues and escalates. Not wishing for the end of WordPress, but Matt clearly needed to go a long time ago, and repercussions for his constant terrible actions will hopefully force him out.
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#32This situation is tragic, wish Matt was handling this better, and WPEngine is a parasite.
WPEngine is no more a parasite than just about every business using Linux or Chrome without offering material support. Parasites drain their host but does WPEngine hurt or drain Wordpress? In fact, doesn't WPEngine just make WordPress more popular as a business solution?
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#34Curiously, in an old tweet Matt praises the openness of the web[1]. I guess this is in response to the bans elsewhere (twitter?); but still, Wordpress was positioned as an open alternative.
At the moment I feel uncertain about Wordpress and its status. Are there any plans to bring more stability here?
Of all the tech CEOs to get humbled in 2024, why did it have to be one from an open source project?
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#35Quite a jump from the original title: "WordPress CEO Rage Quits Community Slack After Court Injunction" @dang could it be fixed?
Yes, I've reverted it now (debaited from "rage quits", per https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html).
(Submitted title was "Matt Mullenweg keeps digging his own grave". It's possible that the article originally had that as its headline, but if not, then it was editorialized, which is against the rules - "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)
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#36I found it frustrating that the article highlights Mullenweg’s actions while failing to even briefly describe what WP Engine is, and what actions they took. The story felt very incomplete, perhaps intended for someone who is already familiar with all the details. I have copied below excerpts from the Wikipedia entry on WP Engine because I found it clarifying. > WP Engine's main function is allowing businesses and org…
MM was ok with WPE using “WP” for years until he decided he needed a little more money from them. Extortion to the rescue!
MM was an WPE investor. He sold his stake in WPE a few years back, but I wonder if there was some bad blood in the board room that is the root cause of this public battle.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> second, the entirety of WP was produced from "free labor" by people all over the world. matt is just the beneficiary. grow up dude. it is about time for an Ayahuasca retreat or two to beat down some of that monumental ego. Open Source does not mean free labour. WordPress has been built by people employed by Matt either via Automattic or via his other entities. WordPress would not exist as it is without Matt. To the…
> But acting like he's benefiting from other people's free labour just shows you've never paid attention to the development of WordPress. Is Matt responsible, financially, for a large portion of WP development? Yes. Is he benefitting from free labor from OS contributors? Yes. Is the WP ecosystem enriched as a whole by commercial and OS contributors? Yes.
There is this whole issue - which plays into the dispute in multiple ways - that treats Matt, Automattic, WordPress, wordpress.org, wordpress.com, WordPress Foundation, as essentially interchangeable and synonymous. That's part of the problem.
This lawsuit is between two for-profit companies, Automattic and WPE. Automattic has investors and revenue streams. As does WPE. This isn't "Matt is financially responsible for WP development".
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> second, the entirety of WP was produced from "free labor" by people all over the world. matt is just the beneficiary. grow up dude. it is about time for an Ayahuasca retreat or two to beat down some of that monumental ego. Open Source does not mean free labour. WordPress has been built by people employed by Matt either via Automattic or via his other entities. WordPress would not exist as it is without Matt. To the…
It turns out that Matt personally owns Wordpress.org. I think that would surprise many people who contributed to Wordpress. It certainly surprised me. And likewise the Wordpress foundation has only three board members and only Matt is active.
And one of the others is one of those "parasites" as Matt describes them, the General Partner of a PE firm.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
WP Engine is definitely using the open source to make money, and is a big competitor to wordpress, but Matt is going scorched earth in a way that seems both embarrassing and ineffective. It would be better if WP Engine contributed more to the open source project that they make so much money from, but it's not illegal or immoral. Maybe Amoral at worse?
It's really weird for matt to say they don't contribute while simultaneously taking over one of the most popular plug-ins that they contributed .
My understanding is that they bought ACF in 2022 - this article from 2021 doesn't mention them at all. https://www.advancedcustomfields.com/blog/10-years-of-acf-a-...
Your overall point is still valid though - they were for example sponsors of the very conference where mm first went berserk.
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#40None of this is surprising - anyone who was on tumblr and saw the absolute meltdown he had (Automattic now owns Tumblr, for those who lost track), and his continuous weird scorch-earth attacks on the queer community where he kept making up lies and justifications for decisions that made little sense, would have known he was in the early stages of a seemingly complete mental breakdown. He personally digitally stalked…
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