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Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by jaco6 »

huuhee3 wrote: post #26
miohtama wrote: post #5

"There is no consensus on the main cause of this surge in violence" If I am not misunderstood, the consensus in Sweden and globally is that the situation is caused by lax immigration policies and taking in too many immigrants who have not been able to integrate to the society.

The problem is not immigration or too many migrants, but rather the fact too many of them lack educational background you need to be successful in modern Western society. Mostly it's young men who arrived as asylum seekers without much education who fail to integrate and get marginalized.

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Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by NullPrefix »

hammock wrote: post #22
jMyles wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drug _consumption_ causes "drug related criminality?" The evidence is quite strong that _prohibition_ causes criminality. Consumption in the absence of prohibition requires no illicit market or cartels.

Are you suggesting that if OxyContin was available without a prescription that we would see less theft, car breakins, vagrancy, indecent exposure, etc?

Yes. Widely available and affordable Oxy would reduce thefts, because junkies wouldn't have to steal so much to afford it

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by AlexandrB »

redeux wrote: post #9
miohtama wrote: post #5

"There is no consensus on the main cause of this surge in violence" If I am not misunderstood, the consensus in Sweden and globally is that the situation is caused by lax immigration policies and taking in too many immigrants who have not been able to integrate to the society.

Are you saying that the violence is caused by the immigrants directly or indirectly? I can’t say for Sweden but in the Texas immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens[1]. There doesn’t seem to be a good source of data for the US as a whole. 1. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o...

In Germany the opposite is true[1]. I don't think it's wise to lump "immigrants" together as a group. The composition of immigrant populations varies a lot between countries (or even cities) and as with any individual criminality depends on factors like socioeconomic background. The specifics of immigration matter.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45419466

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by Dig1t »

redeux wrote: post #9
miohtama wrote: post #5

"There is no consensus on the main cause of this surge in violence" If I am not misunderstood, the consensus in Sweden and globally is that the situation is caused by lax immigration policies and taking in too many immigrants who have not been able to integrate to the society.

Are you saying that the violence is caused by the immigrants directly or indirectly? I can’t say for Sweden but in the Texas immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens[1]. There doesn’t seem to be a good source of data for the US as a whole. 1. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o...

Saying that all immigrants behave the same across the world is like saying all groups of people are the same.

The failure of Syrian, Afghan, and Iraqi immigrants to integrate into Swedish culture is well documented. They exist almost as a separate society within Sweden now, unlike immigrants in Texas.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/28/sweden-records...

>In a national address on Thursday night, the prime minister, Ulf Kristersson, said it was “a difficult time for Sweden”, blaming “political naivety” and “unsuccessful integration”.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by rosmax_1337 »

dartos wrote: post #24
rosmax_1337 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the consensus. Not even left-wing parties are currently willing to openly condone mass immigration any more.

I don’t think the 2nd sentence proves the first.

It doesn't need to.

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Post by kube-system »

nawgz wrote: post #27
hammock wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that if OxyContin was available without a prescription that we would see less theft, car breakins, vagrancy, indecent exposure, etc?

Are you suggesting that OxyContin related addiction isn't itself known to be caused by effective pain medication like marijuana being illegal?

People both get addicted to and commit crimes under the influence of marijuana too. As they also do with alcohol.

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Post by knallfrosch »

nielsbot wrote: post #25
mihaic wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The profile of the average Swedish immigrant is different than the average US one. Many EU countries have counted and have seen immigrants commit disproportionally more crime.

Is there a study I can read for this?

To stay on-topic and on-source:

"[Gang violence] is concentrated in highly segregated immigrant neighbourhoods. In Husby, a suburb of Stockholm, more than 80% of the population are migrants or the children of migrants, most of them from Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Turkey." https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/11/28/why-sweden-strug...

Do you have a counter-factual source showing that immigrants are not more violent in Sweden?

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by dartos »

rosmax_1337 wrote: post #35
dartos wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the 2nd sentence proves the first.

It doesn't need to.

No, but one shouldn’t take high impact statements about what the “consensus” is on any issue from random comments on the internet without any justification.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by rosmax_1337 »

dijit wrote: post #19
redeux wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that the violence is caused by the immigrants directly or indirectly? I can’t say for Sweden but in the Texas immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than citizens[1]. There doesn’t seem to be a good source of data for the US as a whole. 1. https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o...

It’s… difficult . I live in Sweden and the issues of lack of integration are eerily similar to those that affect the UK (where I was born and raised 80s-10s); pockets of extremely isolated cultures living in essentially parallel societies. First, migration is too inclusive and too exclusive of a term. For example it would exclude a second generation individual- and if we are suggesting that religion is an issue, thos…

No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point.

The only reason why ones mind will struggle to grasp this is because you understand that there are severe consequences for openly criticizing immigration. Your mind will conjure "nuances" to allow you to avoid confronting the idea that something has to change, and allow you to remain socially, financially, even legally safe. As you live here in Sweden you will be aware of the number of people sentenced to prison for criticizing immigration, due to the hate speech legislation here.

Re: A new law in Sweden lets police seize unexplained luxury goods

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Post by bjornsing »

rdtsc wrote: post #15

> The Oresund bridge between Denmark and Sweden, which opened in 2000, made illegal firearms and drugs easier to transfer. > Ten years ago Sweden, with 10m people, had one of the lowest rates of gun violence and murder in Europe. It now has one of the highest Is Denmark known for illegal firearms and drugs export? The way it's written it's almost blaming Denmark for its issues. And besides, wasn't that 20 years ago.…

I live in Malmö, on the Swedish side of that bridge. The police quite regularly stops local youths on their way to Denmark with guns and grenades. The Danish minister of justice recently referred to them as “Swedish child soldiers” and threatened to close the border.

So yes, most Danes would probably object to that characterization.

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