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Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

Better yet befriend a beekeeper. You gain a friend and honey.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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If you want to put your local beekeeper out of the business of selling honey, then by all means, complain about an inadequate regulatory state. Because that's who the bureaucrats will go after.

What Buraeucrats are actually administering for anyone wondering: Insurance Programs Market-based risk management tools to strengthen the economic stability of agricultural producers and rural communities. Apiculture Rainfall Index The Apiculture Pilot Insurance Program (RI-API) provides a safety net for beekeepers’ primary income sources – honey, pollen collection, wax, and breeding stock. Beekeepers can purchase RI…

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Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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To my untrained eye, this is a natural consequence of focusing on profit above all. So a natural consequence in cultures where such focus exists.

And yet, this has happened since we've been around. One of the most ancient examples of the written words we have is from a copper merchant complaining about the quality of the ingots he received[1]. The tablet could just as easily have been a complaint about the quality of honey purchased. This is a reversion to the mean. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nāṣir

I'd argue there is much more fraud with product coming from china than what is locally produced. Fraud always existed but now it's more prevalent than before, simply because some countries don't really try to enforce simple rules.

For instance, Chinese mother refuse to buy powder milk in china since there has been so much fraud. Manufacturer put melamine (a plastic chemical) in powder milk for years to make them appear with more protein than reality, inducing kidney damage to newborn.

That kind of thing doesn't happen in civilized society, this require a complete lack of morality and wide corruption.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my untrained eye, this is a natural consequence of focusing on profit above all. So a natural consequence in cultures where such focus exists.

And yet, this has happened since we've been around. One of the most ancient examples of the written words we have is from a copper merchant complaining about the quality of the ingots he received[1]. The tablet could just as easily have been a complaint about the quality of honey purchased. This is a reversion to the mean. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nāṣir

Maybe Ea-nāṣir was also too focused on profits, thinking more about shareholder value than the customer.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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post #31

Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

Better yet befriend a beekeeper. You gain a friend and honey.

Cut out the middleman. Become friend with the bees. You gain a hive mind as friend, and honey! :D

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

How do you know this? Is there actual reporting on what percentage of honey in supermarkets is adulterated, rather than just anecdotal reports that at least some is?

There are many studies into this, but this Forbes article [0] is a good example:

> Of 123 honey exporters to Europe, 70 are suspected of having adulterated their products, and out of 95 European importers checked, two-thirds are affected by at least one suspect batch.

This is only one example, similar stings elsewhere have likewise found bleak results.

As the son of a beekeeper I can attest to this, the honey you find at a grocery store and what actually comes out of a hive are very different things. Even if you boil natural honey you still don't get the texture and consistency they have at the store.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliarodriguez/2023/03/24/hal...

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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I think the FDA should build towards mass food analysis. To sell something en masse you should have to put down a deposit, and the FDA should do an annual analysis of your food (via mass spectometry) from samples from the food store. They should mix dozens of samples from different states to get good coverage.

Should you fail (illegal pesticides, ingredients differ than label, too much lead, whatever) then you lose your deposit, all profits made that year on that product, and go through a process of re-earning the right to sell that product.

For small local brands I'd exempt them until the economics became viable.

Re: Beekeepers halt honey awards over fraud in global supply chain

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Here's a very straightforward guide to buying honey. If you see honey at a supermarket, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you see honey online, no you don't, that's sugar syrup. If you find an old dude with a small stand and a bunch of (most likely unlabelled) jars who only accepts cash, that's where you get real honey.

Nope, he just bought from the store, repackaged, then resold with a markup as it is cheaper to do so
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