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MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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Re: MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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Favorite road bike I’ve ever owned was the aluminum Klein Quantum Race designed by Greg Klein.

Klein bikes of that era had the best paint jobs I have ever seen. I was way too young to even know about these bikes back then, which is a shame, as they are pretty much at the very top of what constitutes bike porn for me.

Re: MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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> He ruled out magnesium, which is best per unit weight in compressive buckling but is brittle and difficult to extrude. There's a fascinating, and very new, class of nano-laminate magnesium alloys called Long Period Stacking-Ordered (LPSO) alloys. These are very lean -- the standard version is 97% Mg + 1% Zn + 2% Y -- and they have outstanding mechanical properties. At an equal weight, they're much stronger and stif…

Interesting. I haven’t heard of them. Joining would still be a problem for a bike frame. Any idea on how well they work with other severe plastic deformation processes?

Re: MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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It's interesting that trackies in the 70s were trying to reduce weight that much. I don't think it's perceived as especially advantageous these days. The high-ish end track bike I'm assembling now will be a little over 8 kg (almost 18 lb). We also race much bigger gears (typically 95-110 gear inches in mass start racing, bigger for sprinting) than mentioned in the article (72 gear inches). The position that is consid…

It largely is the streetlight effect: we all have or can easily get tools to measure weight, we all have significant experience with weight, etc... Aerodynamics are much more difficult, especially in the 1970s where you can't just do some CFD simulations on your computer. There also weren't cheap solid state strain gauges to outfit wind tunnels or the bike drivetrain. Since only tiny aero gains are available without banned aerodynamic devices, there isn't much optimization you can do and need sensitive tools.

Re: MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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Two things jumped out at me: the simple/non-adjustable saddle support, and the absolutely slammed bars affixed just above the fork. Was that normal for track bars at the time?

Yeah, both are relatively insane choices by modern lights. You see some other track bikes of that era with fork-mounted handlebars (it's not unique) but I believe conventional stem + bars were more popular.

Re: MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is cheap these days?

Low quality steel is very cheap but also really heavy. You can get a whole crappy bike for a couple hundred bucks. Higher end steel isn't as cheap but is still relatively heavy (compared to aluminum or carbon). You can get this kind of bike in the $1000-2000 price range (e.g. Surly). Aluminum bikes tend to be inexpensive, but also not the lightest. These can also be priced at $1000-2000 (Specialized, Trek, Giant, ...…

Prices shot up during the pandemic and never really went back down. You're lucky to find a good carbon bike for under $4K these days where you used to be able to find them for $2K.

Re: MIT Aluminum Bicycle Project 1974 (2016)

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Two things jumped out at me: the simple/non-adjustable saddle support, and the absolutely slammed bars affixed just above the fork. Was that normal for track bars at the time?

Yeah, both are relatively insane choices by modern lights. You see some other track bikes of that era with fork-mounted handlebars (it's not unique) but I believe conventional stem + bars were more popular.

Tbh I love the simplicity of the hard coded saddle post + support. Both being made out of the same tube size.
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