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Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by cpursley »

mdorazio wrote: post #19
ksec wrote: post #16

Before I go into rage mode, I suppose I should ask, why Farmland? Both Denmark and Netherland are big in agriculture export and they are very good at it. I am not against planting trees but it on top of farm land doesn't make any sense to me.

Where else would you like them to plant trees? Tearing up residential areas to convert to forest would be massively expensive and likely unpopular.

Places that used to be forested and are not productive farmland. There’s lots of places like this, just maybe not in Denmark.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by cpursley »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #23
ksec wrote: post #16

Before I go into rage mode, I suppose I should ask, why Farmland? Both Denmark and Netherland are big in agriculture export and they are very good at it. I am not against planting trees but it on top of farm land doesn't make any sense to me.

Nitrogen emissions from farming are a big topic in the Netherlands. We have a right wing populist governments that wants to raise maximum speeds back to 130km/h but they can't because of nitrogen emissions that caused the previous government (also right leaning, pro car, etc.) to lower the limits. Intense cattle farming is a big environmental challenge in both countries and it comes at a price. Lots of farting cows i…

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Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by Auracle »

cpursley wrote: post #31
mdorazio wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where else would you like them to plant trees? Tearing up residential areas to convert to forest would be massively expensive and likely unpopular.

Places that used to be forested and are not productive farmland. There’s lots of places like this, just maybe not in Denmark.

Not really. Trees plant themselves. If it’s not being actively used for something/mowed it’ll turn back into forest.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by microtonal »

cpursley wrote: post #32
jillesvangurp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitrogen emissions from farming are a big topic in the Netherlands. We have a right wing populist governments that wants to raise maximum speeds back to 130km/h but they can't because of nitrogen emissions that caused the previous government (also right leaning, pro car, etc.) to lower the limits. Intense cattle farming is a big environmental challenge in both countries and it comes at a price. Lots of farting cows i…

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The parent did not say anything about climate and pointed to actual the problem in The Netherlands: nitrogen deposition. Our nature parks are dying because there is far too much nitrogen deposition from nearby farms.

(But our current right-wing populist government likes to pretend the problem does not exist, so they have to be slapped on the wrists by courts and the EU.)

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by linuxandrew »

cpursley wrote: post #32
jillesvangurp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nitrogen emissions from farming are a big topic in the Netherlands. We have a right wing populist governments that wants to raise maximum speeds back to 130km/h but they can't because of nitrogen emissions that caused the previous government (also right leaning, pro car, etc.) to lower the limits. Intense cattle farming is a big environmental challenge in both countries and it comes at a price. Lots of farting cows i…

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Farting maybe, but the impact from cow burps is measurable and no conspiracy theory.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17517715/

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by Auracle »

sidcool wrote: post #3

Didn't Bill Gates once say that planting trees has no impact on global warming?

And he’d be right.

When those trees die and then rot or burn, that CO2 will be released right back into the atmosphere. They’ll temporarily hold some, yeah, but it’s like trying to rapidly fire a squirt gun at a fire when someone else is spraying it with a firehose of gasoline.

Especially because trees plant themselves. If they want to set aside the land for forest and seed it a little to get going - great - but those large tree planting operations are a waste of time at best or carbon credit loopholes at worst.

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by cpursley »

microtonal wrote: post #36
cpursley wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The parent did not say anything about climate and pointed to actual the problem in The Netherlands: nitrogen deposition. Our nature parks are dying because there is far too much nitrogen deposition from nearby farms. (But our current right-wing populist government likes to pretend the problem does not exist, so they have to be slapped on the wrists by courts and the EU.)

Now that’s a real problem, farm animal excrement is an issue. Seems like one that technology can solve?

Re: Denmark will plant 1B trees and convert 10% of farmland into forest

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Post by ndjdjddjsjj »

DocTomoe wrote: post #33
sidcool wrote: post #3

Didn't Bill Gates once say that planting trees has no impact on global warming?

He also once said that 640KB should be enough for anyone, so ... let's take his opinion with a grain of salt. Affluence does not equal wisdom.

He denies it, and even if he said it, it was 1981 and I doubt he meant "forever".

> Affluence does not equal wisdom.

True

Just waiting for someone to factcheck about planting trees: there must be nuance. In australia we burn em to protect people and the environment for example. We have done it for millenia.

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