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Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

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Post by quantadev »

yieldcrv wrote: post #28
notRobot wrote: post #26

I've never had as much fun doing front-end web stuff as I've had since I've picked up tailwind.

this is the honeymoon phase, wait until your package manager and transpiler is out of date, and your progressive web app framework is out of date, and your typescript version isnt compatible with the upgrade yet, and tailwinds isnt either or it is but none of the documentation is yet, but you have to upgrade because your CI/CD cant run your version of node anymore and now you have 100 flags across 5 configuration fil…

Good rant! That's kind of what web-development seems like sometimes. Almost every part of the technology stack is there to fix some other part of the stack that never was ideal to begin with. TypeScript being the best example. It only exists because JavaScript sucks, and JavaScript only ever existed because in 1994ish some guy failed to get Java to run in the browser, and the only reason we're building apps in what was originally a "Document Rendering" system (HTML) was also not by design either but just an accident of history. One train wreck after another.

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

#32

Post by davidsainez »

notRobot wrote: post #26

I've never had as much fun doing front-end web stuff as I've had since I've picked up tailwind.

I resisted using it for a long time, it just seemed too much like read-only code for me. But I've been building my latest project with it, and I have never iterated on the front end more quickly. It is great fun.

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

#33

Post by notsylver »

notRobot wrote: post #26

I've never had as much fun doing front-end web stuff as I've had since I've picked up tailwind.

i've been using it for... years? and it still feels like magic when i use it. v4 fixes my only real issue with it which was the config file feeling so detached and rough compared to everything else.

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

#34

Post by BillyTheKing »

yieldcrv wrote: post #28
notRobot wrote: post #26

I've never had as much fun doing front-end web stuff as I've had since I've picked up tailwind.

this is the honeymoon phase, wait until your package manager and transpiler is out of date, and your progressive web app framework is out of date, and your typescript version isnt compatible with the upgrade yet, and tailwinds isnt either or it is but none of the documentation is yet, but you have to upgrade because your CI/CD cant run your version of node anymore and now you have 100 flags across 5 configuration fil…

or just use bun? used to also face all these issues - but with bun it's mostly gone for now (and for newer projects) - hope it stays that way!

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

#35

Post by sam_goody »

Looks good.

I am glad that they support container-queries[1].

But all the real goodness is in contain[2] (which sounds the same but is not related).

Tailwind really needs to support contain. I am disappointed by their statement that there will be no major additions, because contain is really that important - both from a dev perspective, and from a performance perspective. It belongs in v4 from the start.

[1]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_contain... [2]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/contain

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

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Post by yieldcrv »

BillyTheKing wrote: post #34
yieldcrv wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the honeymoon phase, wait until your package manager and transpiler is out of date, and your progressive web app framework is out of date, and your typescript version isnt compatible with the upgrade yet, and tailwinds isnt either or it is but none of the documentation is yet, but you have to upgrade because your CI/CD cant run your version of node anymore and now you have 100 flags across 5 configuration fil…

or just use bun? used to also face all these issues - but with bun it's mostly gone for now (and for newer projects) - hope it stays that way!

I use bun where I can, and I’ve upgraded old projects to it successfully

the main project I work on uses nx, sst, and pnpm, it’s all tightly coupled. this project is fine for now. just different.

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

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Post by [deleted] »

quantadev wrote: post #31
yieldcrv wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the honeymoon phase, wait until your package manager and transpiler is out of date, and your progressive web app framework is out of date, and your typescript version isnt compatible with the upgrade yet, and tailwinds isnt either or it is but none of the documentation is yet, but you have to upgrade because your CI/CD cant run your version of node anymore and now you have 100 flags across 5 configuration fil…

Good rant! That's kind of what web-development seems like sometimes. Almost every part of the technology stack is there to fix some other part of the stack that never was ideal to begin with. TypeScript being the best example. It only exists because JavaScript sucks, and JavaScript only ever existed because in 1994ish some guy failed to get Java to run in the browser, and the only reason we're building apps in what w…

[deleted]

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

#38

Post by devjab »

notRobot wrote: post #26

I've never had as much fun doing front-end web stuff as I've had since I've picked up tailwind.

I don’t work on the frontend very often, I think the last time I did so was when bootstrap was “the tailwind”, but when I recently had to cover for one of our react developers I got to work with it. I genuinely didn’t think there was a difference in my work flow between the two. Looking up meta language magic in the official documentation and then using it through brute-force development. Maybe I’m missing something, more likely I’m just a terrible frontend developer.

The latter is true either way. These days I’ll use HTMX and let a LLM do the CSS. Unless I specifically have to work on something which faces customers. So I’m wondering if there is some trick to tailwind I’m missing?

Re: Tailwind CSS v4.0 Beta 1

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Post by assimpleaspossi »

BillyTheKing wrote: post #34
yieldcrv wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the honeymoon phase, wait until your package manager and transpiler is out of date, and your progressive web app framework is out of date, and your typescript version isnt compatible with the upgrade yet, and tailwinds isnt either or it is but none of the documentation is yet, but you have to upgrade because your CI/CD cant run your version of node anymore and now you have 100 flags across 5 configuration fil…

or just use bun? used to also face all these issues - but with bun it's mostly gone for now (and for newer projects) - hope it stays that way!

Or just use CSS. Never had any of those issues.
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