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As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by fazeirony »

Teever wrote: post #4
unixpickle wrote: post #3

> I asked Nicole Avena, a professor of neuroscience at Mount Sinai who studies sugar addiction, if she believed it could be possible for food companies to engineer, intentionally or not, compounds that would make GLP-1 drugs less effective. Avena told me it was plausible. Never really thought about this before. The food industry is a virus and current weight loss drugs are the best vaccine we have, but it'll forever…

It would probably be ridiculously illegal to put substances in products that are designed to counter the function of prescription medication. It's the kind of thing that I hope would result in not only massive fines for the corporations but jail time for the people involved in the decision making and the R&D.

ya! just like we did with the sackler family right? they're doing hard time for creating the opioid epidemic. oh wait, they're billionaires so i forgot they get a different set of rules.

don't hold your breath on any jail time for food companies doing this is my point.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by keybored »

unixpickle wrote: post #3

> I asked Nicole Avena, a professor of neuroscience at Mount Sinai who studies sugar addiction, if she believed it could be possible for food companies to engineer, intentionally or not, compounds that would make GLP-1 drugs less effective. Avena told me it was plausible. Never really thought about this before. The food industry is a virus and current weight loss drugs are the best vaccine we have, but it'll forever…

You give the game away with that analogy.

We wouldn’t throw our hands up if private corporations were able to sell more and more dangerous guns to civilians (arms race). "Ah but what can we do, it's an arms race." We would make it illegal.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by alphan0n »

sabbaticaldev wrote: post #19
bamboozled wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tired of it already , feel like all this food bashing is the new “wokeness”. I enjoyed coca-cola in moderation for decades, so what ?

i have a friend literally dying because he can’t stop being addicted to coke. Even with his kidneys and liver stopping working, he’ll still drink it. So what, you ask?

So what, we asked.

If coke stopped existing this very second, your friend would find something else to destroy their body with, because the cause of their problem isn’t coke and the prohibition of it isn’t a solution.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by Mumps »

Vampiero wrote: post #10
Teever wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would probably be ridiculously illegal to put substances in products that are designed to counter the function of prescription medication. It's the kind of thing that I hope would result in not only massive fines for the corporations but jail time for the people involved in the decision making and the R&D.

Coca Cola has phosphoric acid in it so you don't puke from the fact that it contains unnatural amounts of sugar. Sugar itself, in its processed form, is quite unnatural and causes cravings and addiction. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors didn't get much sugar aside from fructose. Conclusion: sugar is mostly used by the industry because it's addictive.

The phosphoric acid - vomit thing is a factoid. Trivially, consider that you can just eat pure sugar and not vomit.

Also, a glass of orange juice is about 1tbsp of sugar away from coke.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by mensetmanusman »

sabbaticaldev wrote: post #19
bamboozled wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tired of it already , feel like all this food bashing is the new “wokeness”. I enjoyed coca-cola in moderation for decades, so what ?

i have a friend literally dying because he can’t stop being addicted to coke. Even with his kidneys and liver stopping working, he’ll still drink it. So what, you ask?

People with survivor bias don’t understand the occasional self sacrifice required for the good of the larger set of humanity.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

inglor_cz wrote: post #26
pvaldes wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Processed sugar is glucose. Glucose is all except "quite unnatural" in our metabolism. Physiology in animals is based on energy provided by any stuff that can be converted into sugar. Our brains will die in a few minutes without glucose. This reminds me the lemon juice panic when used as additive. We can talk about if this sugar has pesticides or other substances mixed with it in the post process that are toxic, but…

Processed sugar is sucrose, also half-glucose, half-fructose. Even though both are found separately in nature, it doesn't necessarily follow that their combination is just fine, especially in the volumes consumed in a typical Western diet. If sugar isn't addictive at all, why do so many people have cravings for sweets? Cravings are a major hallmark of addiction.

What do you think processed sugar is? It's literally just natural sugar purified. Almost everything in nature which contain sugar contains both fructose and glucose combined.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by tstrimple »

keybored wrote: post #32
unixpickle wrote: post #3

> I asked Nicole Avena, a professor of neuroscience at Mount Sinai who studies sugar addiction, if she believed it could be possible for food companies to engineer, intentionally or not, compounds that would make GLP-1 drugs less effective. Avena told me it was plausible. Never really thought about this before. The food industry is a virus and current weight loss drugs are the best vaccine we have, but it'll forever…

You give the game away with that analogy. We wouldn’t throw our hands up if private corporations were able to sell more and more dangerous guns to civilians (arms race). "Ah but what can we do, it's an arms race." We would make it illegal.

Actually we are explicitly throwing our hands up over more and more dangerous guns in civilian hands. We haven't made it illegal and all attempts at even moderate regulation are met with outrage over losing "freedom".

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by Teever »

bodiekane wrote: post #27
Teever wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a huge leap from the status quo to intentionally disrupting the effects of prescription drugs. One is unscrupulous and the other is blatantly illegal.

What law would it be breaking? There are tons of common foods and food additives that are known to interact with medications. Grapefruit juice for instance has a large and diverse set of drug interactions, some potentially very dangerous: https://www.drugs.com/article/grapefruit-drug-interactions.h... but that doesn't mean it's illegal to sell or consume.

The key word is intentional.

If you're intentionally researching and developing an additive that weakens the effect of a prescription medication and you're not telling people the. You're effectively poisoning them.

That's super illegal.

Re: As Ozempic turns consumers off processed foods, junk food industry fights back

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Post by sct202 »

fhfjfk wrote: post #39

As a skinny guy in the US, is there a way that I can get an GLP-1 prescription? I want to see if it will decrease compulsions - substance use and trichotillomania.

You maybe be able to get a doctor to prescribe it off-label for those reasons. A lot of the compounding pharmacies have relationships with prescribers so you're more likely to find a prescriber who may consider doing that there.
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