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I like it - an OpenKarma standard for karma trading between different sites, maybe with a central exchange and a floating exchange rate. "I'll trade two HN points for one point of your reddit karma".
I should think that an HN karma point would be worth a lot more than half a reddit karma point! If anything, I'd say a HN:Reddit ratio of 1:10 or more...
Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
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Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#32He's wrong, there is no Ponzi scheme at all. Let me explain... First of all, we have limited resources. The resources we absolutely need, for example, food and water, however, exist in enough quantity for all the people that currently exist (otherwise they would die). The second layer of resources, for example, metal to build cars, crude oil for energy, also exist in enough quantity for now . The exchange between bas…
First of all, we have limited resources. The resources we absolutely need, for example, food and water, however, exist in enough quantity for all the people that currently exist (otherwise they would die) Err, people _do_ die because they don't have enough food. That's not to say that we _could_ have enough food to feed the world, but famine is a real issue in some parts of the world. If for example, we were destroyi…
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Rather than notice the trend of story submissions I would be more concerned about the latest trend of one-liner jokes at the beginning of each story. If you all would like to see HN degrade into Reddit or the unintellectual abyss known as Digg, I suggest everyone keep on up-modding these crap jokes and give people more incentive to try and give their stab at humor. HN has seen quite a spike in users lately and it see…
I mean, I just killed the joke by explaining it, but this is not just a reddit pun.
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
First of all, we have limited resources. The resources we absolutely need, for example, food and water, however, exist in enough quantity for all the people that currently exist (otherwise they would die) Err, people _do_ die because they don't have enough food. That's not to say that we _could_ have enough food to feed the world, but famine is a real issue in some parts of the world. If for example, we were destroyi…
People don't die because we don't have enough food. If there were not enough food, those people would survive a week or so, and would be long dead. People are dying because they are restricted from moving to areas with enough food. They are not dying because we lack food in the world. Be very careful with this line of argumentation, because the surface scratching articles in papers are different from what the reality…
An issue is that we live in areas that cannot locally sustain a population, thus relying on a supply system to survive.
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I should think that an HN karma point would be worth a lot more than half a reddit karma point! If anything, I'd say a HN:Reddit ratio of 1:10 or more...
At rates that good HN will be the first victim of the great karma rushes. Spectators will establish threads and mine each other for karma until so much has been generated that even diggs will purchase multiple hackerbucks.
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
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#37I belive this is endemic to the internet as a whole. I say why does he not stick to technology an let scholars who have actually studied the issues he speak of enlighten us on them.
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#38I wonder why so few people think about the following line of reasoning:
1. Our current economy is based on money as a medium of exchange to function (separation of labor -> good)
2. Therefore, money is a universal medium of exchange and acquires a value separate from the exchange value: liquidity, the possibility to exchange it for anything else (see Keynes et.al) -> unintended but ok
3. As a consequence, our current money relies on a positive rate of interest to circulate. Whenever the interest rate gets too close to zero, money holders will not give up their privilege of liquidity and not lend out their money (bad!)
4. As a result, the economy collapses - simply because the medium of exchange stops circulating. In the end, the government has to print new money to replace the money not being spent/lent, leading to inflation. Alternatively, the state has to make new debts or fund dying industries only to keep interest rates positive... (very bad!)
This reasoning does not depend on any technology or production-based argument because every human undertaking these days is based on beating the rate of interest. Even if you only invest your own money, you have to factor in the interest you might have gotten at the bank.
There's a really simple fix to it: motivate money holders to part with their money even without interest. You would get an economy that can grow when it needs to but can contract as well without collapsing.
Even though it seems god-given, money itself is actually pretty hackable. If you're interested, one interesting proposal is here: http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~roehrigw/suhr/nngengl.html
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#39Just gave the author a point. What's the exchange rate between whuffie and Hacker News points? How many get you a cup of coffee?
As a descriptor of currency in an inconsequential economy it is somewhat useful. I happen to prefer the word "karma."
Re: Tim O'Reilly: The Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All
#401) Exponential GDP growth does not necessarily mean using exponentially more natural resources. Quite the contrary. A lot of growth could come from work going into reducing resource consumption. Describing this distinction as quantitative vs qualitative growth creates the false impression of a need for some kind of revolution in order to make that switch. It's not a switch. We're already right in the middle of it and it's a gradual development.
2) Global debt is always zero. Debt is always a claim on other people's labour. If debtors throw their hands up and say, sorry I can't work enough to provide that labour, debt is written off and that's it. There's no link to the use of natural resources at all.