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Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by bilbo0s »

petesergeant wrote: post #9

Exceptionally well-armed NATO + JEF members, and Finland well within distance to use conventional artillery to turn St Petersburg to rubble. This is a public-awareness and support-building exercise rather than a real concern. This is like the RAF frequently issuing press-releases about intercepting Russian jets.

Uh..

If we turn St Petersburg into rubble, I doubt anyone will be worrying about a few trifling conventional weapons. NATO and Russia go at it, and we're all just sitting around next month waiting for the Chinese, Brazilians, Indians and South Africans to sort out who is responsible for which relief efforts.

Actually, now I think about it, that quad will probably be far more concerned with determining the disposition of the remaining NATO/Russian warheads. So even relief efforts might be impacted by their more pressing concerns.

In any case, the world would just be a mess for a good long while.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by rootusrootus »

sdwr wrote: post #21

That's what a functional government looks like. High-information, low-controversy, consolidating citizens around a shared truth.

Sure, but which is the cause, and which the effect?

Edit: Huh, a totally legitimate question that points directly at the underlying cause, and downvoted to the limit. Does it hurt that much to admit that people are getting exactly the government they want?

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by petesergeant »

bilbo0s wrote: post #31
petesergeant wrote: post #9

Exceptionally well-armed NATO + JEF members, and Finland well within distance to use conventional artillery to turn St Petersburg to rubble. This is a public-awareness and support-building exercise rather than a real concern. This is like the RAF frequently issuing press-releases about intercepting Russian jets.

Uh.. If we turn St Petersburg into rubble, I doubt anyone will be worrying about a few trifling conventional weapons. NATO and Russia go at it, and we're all just sitting around next month waiting for the Chinese, Brazilians, Indians and South Africans to sort out who is responsible for which relief efforts. Actually, now I think about it, that quad will probably be far more concerned with determining the disposition…

> If we turn St Petersburg into rubble, I doubt anyone will be worrying about a few trifling conventional weapons

Yes, exactly, that's why this isn't going to happen.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by rootusrootus »

bilbo0s wrote: post #31
petesergeant wrote: post #9

Exceptionally well-armed NATO + JEF members, and Finland well within distance to use conventional artillery to turn St Petersburg to rubble. This is a public-awareness and support-building exercise rather than a real concern. This is like the RAF frequently issuing press-releases about intercepting Russian jets.

Uh.. If we turn St Petersburg into rubble, I doubt anyone will be worrying about a few trifling conventional weapons. NATO and Russia go at it, and we're all just sitting around next month waiting for the Chinese, Brazilians, Indians and South Africans to sort out who is responsible for which relief efforts. Actually, now I think about it, that quad will probably be far more concerned with determining the disposition…

NATO and Russia go at it and everyone is screwed, there will be no winners, nobody on the sidelines, no picking through the spoils.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by lnsru »

Mistletoe wrote: post #3

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Looks like he has enough doubles to replace him for decades to come. The guys shown in TV have different wrinkles. Maybe it’s botox. But the behavior patterns are too different. One is shaking hands in the streets just like that. Other one has that mile long table and travels with a private army around.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by ipnon »

I just watched Patlabor 2 last night, about a civil war in post-Cold War Japan. The main theme is the following: The thing about one-in-a-million events is that they are eventually going to happen once the other 999,999 occur. Thus a government which does not plan for one-in-a-million scenarios is truly derelict and incapable of survival.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by rootusrootus »

mikewarot wrote: post #6
Mistletoe wrote: post #3

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Putin's successor is likely to be someone even less securely in power, and thus far less rational. I don't want to test our luck with what's left of the Soviet nuclear arsenal.

My greatest hope at this point is that much of the Soviet arsenal would fail to function at this point. That might be a pipe dream, but it's what I got.

Re: Nordic neighbours release new advice on surviving war

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Post by mdp2021 »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #30
mdp2021 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you went there to ask, we would have to inquire about how much you assessed credibility.

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Speaking on purely theoretical terms - because this forum is probably not fit for the expression of some judgements -, while it is not a generally good strategy to just "wait and hope", one should not forget that pseudo-chance can go in more directions - some of which have been surprising in the region in the last hundred years. (Of course, no strategist would just embrace chance.)
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