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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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It seems that the obvious solution could be Starlink-style meshes. Can anybody comment on how fragile the Starlink protocol would be during a war? If its line-of-sight, presumably it would be hard to jam?

Send some sharpnel on the same orbital altitude as Starlink and the whole constellation disappears.

True, if by "some" you mean a few thousand rocket launches worth of shrapnel.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Send some sharpnel on the same orbital altitude as Starlink and the whole constellation disappears.

True, if by "some" you mean a few thousand rocket launches worth of shrapnel.

few dozen crashed satellites quickly become shrapnel on their own, spreading in all directions. not at "shrapnel speed" but nevertheless..

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Substantial Russian activity also near UK, raises concerns that Russia would cut off UK. [0] Russian ships ‘plotting sabotage in the North Sea’ [1] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ships...

Do these nations not have navies? Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost?

And risk escalation!? /s

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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It'd be nice to see stories about a western navy or two getting off its butt, and actually trying to discourage "accidents" which damage critical infrastructure.

On the other hand, I'd rather see cables get cut than watch shells get lobbed between world powers.

As the saying goes, who lets others cut cables to have peace deserves neither and will have both taken away.

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How much of this is news and how much of it is normal occurrences due to shipping or fishing?

I've found this example of a proven sabotage: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-21963100 which involved a few guys caught in the act less than 1 km from shore, then there are a lot of "suspicious" events where intention is never publicly proven.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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How much of this is news and how much of it is normal occurrences due to shipping or fishing?

I've found this example of a proven sabotage: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-21963100 which involved a few guys caught in the act less than 1 km from shore, then there are a lot of "suspicious" events where intention is never publicly proven.

Thanks. I was trying to figure out if the news is reporting on every little anchor snag or if it is an abnormal occurrence.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Substantial Russian activity also near UK, raises concerns that Russia would cut off UK. [0] Russian ships ‘plotting sabotage in the North Sea’ [1] [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-undersea-... [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ships...

Do these nations not have navies? Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost?

Just because it is not publicized does not mean it is not happening. Most military operations do not take along journalists, and are not reported to the press. Some are even secret.

That said, there is a limited amount that can be done in international waters without creating an international incident. Law Of The Seas, Freedom Of Navigation, etc.. It is to our advantage for example, when we want to prevent CCP's from denying access to international waters around Taiwan or Phillipines, but to Russia's advantage when scouting undersea cables in international waters.

They can field more "research" vessels than we'd typically field mil vessels, but I'd bet real money that that ratio just changed a lot in the past few weeks, as it hits the press.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, if by "some" you mean a few thousand rocket launches worth of shrapnel.

few dozen crashed satellites quickly become shrapnel on their own, spreading in all directions. not at "shrapnel speed" but nevertheless..

At Starlink altitude there is still operationally significant volumes of air. So much so that Starlinks need to altitude raise regularly. Starlink shrapnel would drop below Starlink orbit almost immediately, and completely deorbit in a month or so.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do these nations not have navies? Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost?

Just because it is not publicized does not mean it is not happening. Most military operations do not take along journalists, and are not reported to the press. Some are even secret. That said, there is a limited amount that can be done in international waters without creating an international incident. Law Of The Seas, Freedom Of Navigation, etc.. It is to our advantage for example, when we want to prevent CCP's from…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do these nations not have navies? Can’t they tell the Russian non-combat ships (or pressure them) to get lost?

Just because it is not publicized does not mean it is not happening. Most military operations do not take along journalists, and are not reported to the press. Some are even secret. That said, there is a limited amount that can be done in international waters without creating an international incident. Law Of The Seas, Freedom Of Navigation, etc.. It is to our advantage for example, when we want to prevent CCP's from…

> They can field more "research" vessels than...

Back during the cold war, there was very often a Soviet "fishing boat" trailing after any substantial US Navy fleet. Said fishing boat may have had far more antennas than any fisherman would expect, but far less interest in catching fish.

Fast forward - what would be the cost of having cheap western drones hanging around nearby, when suspected Russian assets were close to undersea cables, pipelines, and such?

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