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Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by asddubs »

dwaite wrote: post #13
asddubs wrote: post #7

Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons: Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE Safari: is coupled to operating sys…

If I understand - Chrome is like IE for pushing proprietary extensions, and Safari is like IE for not implementing those proprietary extensions?

I'm actually far more concerned with the other thing I mentioned, just like on old versions of windows, safari updates are coupled to iOS updates. So if your phone doesn't get any more updates, or you just don't want them, your browser engine is out of date, giving years old safari versions significant market shares. And this impacts stuff like being able to use "gap" for flexbox, which I don't think qualifies as a proprietary chrome feature

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by iforgotmysocks »

do_not_redeem wrote: post #16
dwaite wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand - Chrome is like IE for pushing proprietary extensions, and Safari is like IE for not implementing those proprietary extensions?

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Safari states their position on standards here: https://webkit.org/standards-positions/

IMO they have good reasons for opposing most of the standards

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by RachelF »

MBCook wrote: post #11

Yes. If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. If there is a JS feature in Chrome they want to use, so it’s impossible to use other browsers (instead of looking wrong) people do it. Performs fine in Chrome? Ship it. Yes, Chrome is the new IE in that it’s the only browsers companies care about, just like IE was for a very long time. Everything has to be Chrome compatible to succeed. That’s th…

Yes, Chrome is necessary for some sites that don't work on Firefox.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by sleepybrett »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #12
DonnyV wrote: post #3

Unlike IE, Chrome is still moving forward with new features and depreciating old features.

Depreciating old "features" like supporting legacy OS versions which is infuriating. Firefox is an inadequate substitute because too many sites only work in Chrome. I blame lazy developers for this mess all around, which had caused a perfect storm of shit on the nouveau web.

I've run into exactly zero sites, that don't want to update some firmware on some piece of hardware over usb, that don't work on firefox.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by amadeuspagel »

asddubs wrote: post #7

Just to (mostly) preempt this because the exact same discussion is had every time this sentiment comes up: Isn't safari the new IE? Answer: They both are like IE, for different reasons: Chrome: Pushes proprietary extensions onto the web, which due to their absolute dominance others are somewhat forced to adopt, people develop for it and don't test in any other browser, just like IE Safari: is coupled to operating sys…

What are these proprietary extensions?

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by amadeuspagel »

iforgotmysocks wrote: post #32
do_not_redeem wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Safari states their position on standards here: https://webkit.org/standards-positions/ IMO they have good reasons for opposing most of the standards

They don't even implement the standards that they have agreed to properly.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by grapesodaaaaa »

do_not_redeem wrote: post #16
dwaite wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I understand - Chrome is like IE for pushing proprietary extensions, and Safari is like IE for not implementing those proprietary extensions?

Safari is like IE for not implementing standards everyone else has agreed on and implemented.

Some of those unimplemented “standards” are to protect user privacy. I know this is not universally the case, but it’s worth calling out.

Re: Is Chrome the New IE? (2023)

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Post by ClassyJacket »

wseqyrku wrote: post #15
MBCook wrote: post #11

Yes. If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. If there is a JS feature in Chrome they want to use, so it’s impossible to use other browsers (instead of looking wrong) people do it. Performs fine in Chrome? Ship it. Yes, Chrome is the new IE in that it’s the only browsers companies care about, just like IE was for a very long time. Everything has to be Chrome compatible to succeed. That’s th…

> If it works on Chrome, no one cares or even tests for other things. We've been through an extensive standardization pass for this to not happen. Anything not matching the specification whether in Chrome or any other browser should be considered a bug. This is not at all the same as IE, where it just went its own way.

Yes it should be, but it isn't, that's the problem
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