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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by gorbachev »

heywire wrote: post #19
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale, and really always have been. As safety features go up, complacency goes up, and to be blunt that's combining with the fact that drivers are getting consistently worse overall at the skill anyway. Between EV's that are much, much heavier than ICE cars and SUVs/Trucks that are much larger than they need to be, vehicles themselves, d…

I would wager that most people don’t want to use public transit regularly. I know I certainly don’t.

That's because most Americans haven't seen a public transport service that works well.

Visit or live in a major European city for a while and you are likely change your tune.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by randomdata »

ar_lan wrote: post #20
randomdata wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We really need to get serious about improving our transportation infrastructure. Better yet, we really need to consider urbanization. That way everything you need is right there by your own two feet. No need for any extra special transportation at all. It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I'm not sure we can actually overcome that pressure.

> It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I just want like... to not be stacked like a sardine for $3500/mo. I would gladly take a rural lifestyle if I could find a job that would support it.

Stacked like a sardine for $3,500/mo, yet still have to travel long distances to do anything. The curse of the wannabe rural city. But, as people want to (or at least want to pretend to) live in a rural area, change is unlikely.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by nytesky »

peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

Torque and touchscreens.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by littlestymaar »

legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

> You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy

Being heavy is actually a safety feature of sort (but just for the people inside the car, it increases overall fatality).

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ridgeguy »

Lendal wrote: post #16
robterrell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> analyzed data from the U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) Maybe not for the "reasonable person" but government data is available and if you are here you likely know some statistics, so go nuts: https://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx and https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...

Now Elon will possibly in charge of making that government database disappear.

Rapidly growing new file category on Pirate Bay?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by randomdata »

p_j_w wrote: post #30
randomdata wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We really need to get serious about improving our transportation infrastructure. Better yet, we really need to consider urbanization. That way everything you need is right there by your own two feet. No need for any extra special transportation at all. It seems people have a burning desire to live the rural lifestyle, though, even in so-called cities. I'm not sure we can actually overcome that pressure.

Even with heavy urbanization you'll need some form of transit on top of walking. Have you ever visited any really big cities (eg. Tokyo)? Every time I'm in one, I get the impression they would grind to a standstill without their mass transit systems.

> Have you ever visited any really big cities (eg. Tokyo)

Yes, these are the rural areas of which we speak. Everything gets spread out and then you're stuck travelling long distances to do anything, just like those who live in actual rural areas. There is no question that transportation is necessary in a rural area.

A proper urban environment, however, puts everything right there in a short distance. No need to ever travel beyond where your feet can take you. That's the whole reason for living so close to other people.

But it's clear that people want to live in (or pretend to live in) rural areas. It seems to be in our nature. As such, there is a lot of pressure to maintain the way things are. Hence the ill-conceived cries for better transportation to maintain the rural way of life instead of actually embracing urbanity.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by [deleted] »

TrainedMonkey wrote: post #22
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

And all USG vehicles to be replaced with Teslas to save money on gas /s

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by toast0 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #5
legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale, and really always have been. As safety features go up, complacency goes up, and to be blunt that's combining with the fact that drivers are getting consistently worse overall at the skill anyway. Between EV's that are much, much heavier than ICE cars and SUVs/Trucks that are much larger than they need to be, vehicles themselves, d…

> In a bigger picture, cars are a bad solution to the problem of transportation at scale

They're not a great solution to transportation at scale, but they're pretty good at small volume point to point traffic.

There's not enough people going my way on most of my trips to make transportation at scale worthwhile. Ferries work well for part of many of my trips, but I can take a car on the ferry to deal with the lack of scale on either side.

I could sometimes take a bus to the ferry, walk to light rail and take light rail to the airport. But the bus only runs during commute times, so that impacts viable flight times, and the walk to the light rail got pretty sketchy in the past several years and light rail itself can be sketchy too.

Most of my cars run fine any time of day, although peak traffic is annoying, and I'm dealing with lighting issues on one so I can't take it out unless I know I'll be home before dusk.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by dpats »

legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

> In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

Do you have a source on that?

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