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Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by throw310822 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #16
huijzer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

> like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion?

These are ideological battles which are specular to those of the left. All these laws to extend and protect LGBT rights? Marginally useful only to a small minority (which should be already protected in its fundamental rights by the normal laws) but great to avoid talking about difficult issues: how to go against established interests to improve the economy, how to modernise administration so that is more efficient and cheaper, etc.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by Phelinofist »

SvenL wrote: post #20
Phelinofist wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was written with a bit of rage, I might have missed some things. So I agree with wealth tax and tackling tax evasion. Yes, I also should've added corruption to FDP, good catch! Mövenpick. Also look at the absolute dog shit minister that is Wissing. I also agree with reducing spending on their side.

I edited my comment also a little bit because I wrote in rage. It really feels frustrating the political landscape (voting the "least evil" party).

I think you can also do this before someone replys, so no luck there.

Honestly I have no clue who to vote for. I guess we will get a GroKo again, which is utterly retarded, SPD has to go to. Their pension packet is just insane.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by gmueckl »

stickfigure wrote: post #26
nilsherzig wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Trump's followers raid the capitol last time (with his approval)? Seems unstable from the outside

One of them was shot and more than 600 were sent to prison. Seems stable enough to me.

Stable democracies hand over to new governments without bloodshed. Any amount of violence in the process is too much to count as stable.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by throw310822 »

nosianu wrote: post #15
killjoywashere wrote: post #9

So, destabilized democracies seems to be the theme of the early 21st century: the UK (Brexit), the US (twice) and now rumbles from Germany. Great

This is not destabilizing this democracy. The FDP has done that same thing before - twice! In 1966 and 1982. Abandoning a non-functioning government and calling new elections is part of democracies. Just ask the Italians (68 governments in 76 years), or recently the French and the Brits.

> Just ask the Italians (68 governments in 76 years)

When each and every government is non-functioning, I'd say that democracy is already destabilised or broken.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by huijzer »

osrmostsis wrote: post #22
huijzer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

"Car production is about 17% of GDP" Not sure where you got this number. Actually it's been between 4% and 5% for the last couple of years.

Thanks. I think you’re right.

This is my source: https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/exports-by-category

295B for “vehicles other than railway, tramway”.

I don’t know where the 17% on that page comes from. It’s indeed 6% if you compare it to GDP (4.4T).

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by Phelinofist »

gndk wrote: post #8
Phelinofist wrote: post #2

As a German I'm quite happy with this, because the coalition was doomed to fail from the start. On that note, I read the paper of Lidner and IMHO he has good points. Germany does not have an issue with income but with spending. We spend way too much for social stuff, especially pensions. The idea proposed by the SDP would fuck every following generation over pretty hard. And to loose the debt break to funnel that mon…

As another German, I fully agree about the political landscape in Germany being FUBAR. I'm an entrepreneur with a small business and the FDP is closest to my personal views in theory. In reality, they are just a bit lighter shade of green-socialism than the other parties. Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestio…

> Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestions now caused a government collapse.

I wouldn't call it a joke, but rather a starting point. I agree that more radical changes are required. But then again, who will do them? Which party? Yeah, there is none

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by Phelinofist »

probably_wrong wrote: post #25

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard". It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy t…

Haha, yeah, forget it. Too much bureaucracy.

But I agree, doing something like this would address quite a few issues people have.

Which party would tackle that though? I can't think of any.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by trhway »

probably_wrong wrote: post #25

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard". It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy t…

Interesting that 2 similar problems - water rise and population increase - are treated that differently, i.e. it is considered normal that the government would build levies/etc. while the government building housing is an abomination.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by blubberblase42 »

gndk wrote: post #8
Phelinofist wrote: post #2

As a German I'm quite happy with this, because the coalition was doomed to fail from the start. On that note, I read the paper of Lidner and IMHO he has good points. Germany does not have an issue with income but with spending. We spend way too much for social stuff, especially pensions. The idea proposed by the SDP would fuck every following generation over pretty hard. And to loose the debt break to funnel that mon…

As another German, I fully agree about the political landscape in Germany being FUBAR. I'm an entrepreneur with a small business and the FDP is closest to my personal views in theory. In reality, they are just a bit lighter shade of green-socialism than the other parties. Lindner's paper is a joke. Germany needs much more radical changes than he proposed to ensure a prosperous future, but even his very tame suggestio…

> My payment for public healthcare is also at the maximum around 1k€/month and similar wage taxes [...]

> and found out that if I stopped working and instead just got married and had 1-2 kids, I'd have more income after taxes than now

That's not possible. Either you lied or didn't fill out the Bürgergeld calculator correctly.

If you make enough money to get to the Jahresarbeitsentgeltgrenze so you pay the maximum of 843.53€ for public healthcare, then you at least should get 3.213€ a month "auf die Hand". If you get you apartment payed and 563€ if you are alone or 506€ if you are married. Yes you get "extra" money if you have kids, but FUNFACT: Kids cost money.

All political landscape is FUBAR. But in part that because there are unlimited different opinions but only a handful of party's. I don't know how Cum-Ex Scholz could get Chancellor and I am ashamed of it, but with E-Fuel-Porsche Linder... You know his company before politics, which he ran into ground was funded in part by the KFW? He wasted more of our money than a village of people getting Bürgergeld.

Yeah sure, the german car industry will be great again with this E-Fuel bullshit and then with lesser taxes the profits will trickle down to everyone.

Have fun with more poverty and richer Billionaires.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by blubberblase42 »

gndk wrote: post #18
huijzer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the US. Especially in the party that now lost. Maybe believing in some equality fairyland where everything is fair and equal doesn’t work. Doesn’t work for the US and doesn’t work for Germany. You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Many inventors were “crazy” at the time including Einstein, Turing and DaVinci to name a few. Maybe in 50 years we will talk about the government…

> And this is while their education system is fine. Young German engineers are great I think. German education system is not as fine as it used to be. It might still be fine at the later high school and university levels, but earlier school classes now often have a majority of kids that don't speak German, holding the whole class back. In parts of problem cities like Berlin there are even classes where no kid speaks…

> but earlier school classes now often have a majority of kids that don't speak German, holding the whole class back

Nope, that's not the problem. My wife is a teacher. Schools where teachers don't go on the toilet because it's so fucked up. That's the problem. But we need to reduce money there, because we need more tax breaks.

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