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In Memory of Stiver

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Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by selivanovp »

petesergeant wrote: post #8

> a German programmer of Russian origin I wonder how much of a boom Russia will see from émigrés returning home if the political environment lets up a little

It's happening already. Like significant part of recent JetBrains struggles with lower quality of their products is due to they had to relocate people out of Russia, and some people just don't like to live abroad. Their Kotlin lead returned to Russia and works in Yandex now. About half the people that relocated during 2022 returned already, and if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return back home.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by throw-the-towel »

danielodievich wrote: post #25
petesergeant wrote: post #8

> a German programmer of Russian origin I wonder how much of a boom Russia will see from émigrés returning home if the political environment lets up a little

Nobody will go back. One of more interesting experiences from early 2000s in Microsoft was when Microsoft Russia finally crossed 1B in revenue by finally having Gazprom/Sberbank buy all the sh*t that they were pirating before. By doing so, the country was eligible to do the yearly business review in person, instead of over whatever passed for Zoom back then, I don't remember anymore. Olga D...can't remember her last…

You and your peers remember the Russia of the 1990s, dirt poor, barely avoiding famine, with a completely collapsed society and state. The new emigrants remember the Russia of the 2010s, with classy restaurants, developing infrastructure, cheap housing and whatever consumer goods money can buy, and that's very different. Your experience from 20 years ago does not apply anymore.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by 9dev »

selivanovp wrote: post #31
petesergeant wrote: post #8

> a German programmer of Russian origin I wonder how much of a boom Russia will see from émigrés returning home if the political environment lets up a little

It's happening already. Like significant part of recent JetBrains struggles with lower quality of their products is due to they had to relocate people out of Russia, and some people just don't like to live abroad. Their Kotlin lead returned to Russia and works in Yandex now. About half the people that relocated during 2022 returned already, and if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return bac…

> if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return back home.

And how do you suppose this will happen? By Trump cutting a deal with Putin leaving Ukraine out to die, or what?

The Russian soldiers might return home. The Ukrainians won’t. There won’t be a home to return to, and in many cases, there won’t be anyone left to return.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by pkd »

danielodievich wrote: post #25
petesergeant wrote: post #8

> a German programmer of Russian origin I wonder how much of a boom Russia will see from émigrés returning home if the political environment lets up a little

Nobody will go back. One of more interesting experiences from early 2000s in Microsoft was when Microsoft Russia finally crossed 1B in revenue by finally having Gazprom/Sberbank buy all the sh*t that they were pirating before. By doing so, the country was eligible to do the yearly business review in person, instead of over whatever passed for Zoom back then, I don't remember anymore. Olga D...can't remember her last…

I know somebody who relocated his entire family after 20+ years in the U.S and is loving it. People are not as monolithic as we are likely to believe sometimes.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by selivanovp »

9dev wrote: post #33
selivanovp wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's happening already. Like significant part of recent JetBrains struggles with lower quality of their products is due to they had to relocate people out of Russia, and some people just don't like to live abroad. Their Kotlin lead returned to Russia and works in Yandex now. About half the people that relocated during 2022 returned already, and if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return bac…

> if the war in Ukraine will finally end in 2025 a lot more will return back home. And how do you suppose this will happen? By Trump cutting a deal with Putin leaving Ukraine out to die, or what? The Russian soldiers might return home. The Ukrainians won’t. There won’t be a home to return to, and in many cases, there won’t be anyone left to return.

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Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by Kwpolska »

rob74 wrote: post #27
oytis wrote: post #2

Didn't know about that side of his talent. Among broader Russian audience Stiver was known as a maintainer of the largest pirate library in Russian (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41634780 ).

That might explain why the article is so light on personal details - either he asked them to keep them private, or maybe they're not aware of his real identity at all?

Why does everyone have to share their real life identity on the Internet? Why do you care?

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by jojobas »

cyberax wrote: post #26
petesergeant wrote: post #8

> a German programmer of Russian origin I wonder how much of a boom Russia will see from émigrés returning home if the political environment lets up a little

Russia has plenty of resources, and is severely under-populated. So yep, it has a huge growth potential. But the political system will have to be reformed first.

And by "reformed", you mean "burnt to the ground, for real this time".

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by 082349872349872 »

rob74 wrote: post #28
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you change the political environment in a dictatorship where ruling class has all the power and majority of the money and controls what you should read, watch or talk about?

Well, the Russians already tried it once, more than 100 years ago, with limited success unfortunately...

A while ago on HN I said the Cheka learned all their techniques from the Okhrana and people took me literally, even replying to the effect that there was no personnel continuity.

What I'd meant is that, having been on the receiving end of all the Okhrana's dirty tricks, and having learned the hard way, the Cheka knew very well indeed how to play those games by the time they were on top.

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by 082349872349872 »

ekianjo wrote: post #22
trhway wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now US has 156M college educated people, China - has been quickly increasing that number during last 10-20 years and currently reached 218M. Thus we see emergence of China as rivaling superpower. You can look at China's rate of new college admissions and make a reasonable projection when a number of senior (10-15 years of experience) professionals in China will dwarf that in US. >Russia's population is 1/2 that…

Collège education is not a super good proxy for superpower status... Even more so nowadays.

A « collège » being what in the States would be called a "Jr High", probably not.

(that said, china seems to have done much better with broad secondary education than india did with targeted tertiary education)

Re: In Memory of Stiver

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Post by usrnm »

throw-the-towel wrote: post #32
danielodievich wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody will go back. One of more interesting experiences from early 2000s in Microsoft was when Microsoft Russia finally crossed 1B in revenue by finally having Gazprom/Sberbank buy all the sh*t that they were pirating before. By doing so, the country was eligible to do the yearly business review in person, instead of over whatever passed for Zoom back then, I don't remember anymore. Olga D...can't remember her last…

You and your peers remember the Russia of the 1990s, dirt poor, barely avoiding famine, with a completely collapsed society and state. The new emigrants remember the Russia of the 2010s, with classy restaurants, developing infrastructure, cheap housing and whatever consumer goods money can buy, and that's very different. Your experience from 20 years ago does not apply anymore.

To be fair, your experience from 5 years ago is just as irrelevant. Russia under sanctions is very different.
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