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Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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I think the most obvious thing has been the volume of Russian propaganda bots that flooded Twitter since Elon acquired it. We're talking about accounts posing as US citizens, for example, spreading disinformation. It was like a backdoor was opened for this sort of thing to flow unchecked.

Musk financing the purchase of Twitter using Russian oligarchs is an even bigger proof.

Yeah, and Russia "mysteriously" getting more and more "illegal" StarLink terminals / access... Can't Musk cut off their service (since they're sanctioned and supposedly "illegally" using the service / equipment)?

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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No one said anything about US law specifically (which wouldn't apply to Musk anyway in this regard), or any kind of law. One can also read it as: "moral treason", betrayal, etc. Not for talking with the guy, per se. But at the moment, if anyone is talking with Putin, it should be for one purpose only: to end the war -- and with that explicit framework in mind. Not business as usual of any kind. And we shouldn't be ex…

On the contrary, in this very comment section posters have already called for Musk to be put on trial and possibly executed for treason. That doesn't sound very metaphorical...

Musk is speaking to people who facilitated attacks on U.S. warships. He should not have a security clearance if this is true. If that means him giving up control at SpaceX, so be it.

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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That puts this story in a new light. "In October 2023, Musk shared a meme to his millions of followers" that according to leaked documents obtained by a number of European media outlets "was put together by none other than the Social Design Agency" -- a Moscow-based group accused by the U.S. of orchestrating a "persistent foreign malign influence campaign" on behalf of the Kremlin. https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-…

> shared a meme You can stop reading here

Why would you stop reading there? Because the content in question is an image with text instead of a video or a short article?

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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>At one point, Putin asked the billionaire to avoid activating his Starlink satellite internet service over Taiwan as a favor to Chinese leader Xi Jinping, said two people briefed on the request. uh. holy s--t!

The word for this is treason. Arrest him, strip him of his assets, revoke his citizenship, and put him on trial with the death penalty on the table.

And watch the value of those assets the US gov currently prizes become little more than nothing.

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason. [1] To "adhere" means to support or be loyal to. In this context, it refers to someone aligning themselves with the enemies of the U.S., either by joining them or providing help and resources, such as intelligence, weapons, or log…

"...Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Musk floated a controversial proposal on Twitter in October 2022, arguing that Ukraine should permanently cede occupied territories (e.g. Crimea) to Russia, and that Ukraine should drop its bid to join NATO..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk

"Russia’s Putin praises Elon Musk as an ‘outstanding person’ and ‘talented businessman’" - https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/12/russias-vladimir-putin-prais...

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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Treason season started early.

Under US law, "treason" means either 1) trying to overthrow the government or 2) providing "aid and comfort" to enemies in war. The last time I checked, the US has not declared war with Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_Sta...

Has anyone litigated whether a war needs to be declared to be a war? Not treating war as a technicality is one reason judges exist.

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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post #35

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason. [1] To "adhere" means to support or be loyal to. In this context, it refers to someone aligning themselves with the enemies of the U.S., either by joining them or providing help and resources, such as intelligence, weapons, or log…

"...Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Musk floated a controversial proposal on Twitter in October 2022, arguing that Ukraine should permanently cede occupied territories (e.g. Crimea) to Russia, and that Ukraine should drop its bid to join NATO..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk "Russia’s Putin praises Elon Musk as an ‘outstanding person’ and ‘talented businessman’" - https://www.cnbc.com…

But more importantly, Elon Musk ordered Starlink to be turned off during Ukraine offensive: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/07/elon-musk...

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under US law, "treason" means either 1) trying to overthrow the government or 2) providing "aid and comfort" to enemies in war. The last time I checked, the US has not declared war with Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_Sta...

No one said anything about US law specifically (which wouldn't apply to Musk anyway in this regard), or any kind of law. One can also read it as: "moral treason", betrayal, etc. Not for talking with the guy, per se. But at the moment, if anyone is talking with Putin, it should be for one purpose only: to end the war -- and with that explicit framework in mind. Not business as usual of any kind. And we shouldn't be ex…

There is a reason treason is both prominent is US law: it's in the constitution, and it is hard to convict because the definition is very narrow and requires specific evidence. The men at the center of our revolution were labelled traitors by the British.

Though Elon is the kind of overachiever to possibly surmount a high bar, FARA might be a better bet.

Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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Under US law, "treason" means either 1) trying to overthrow the government or 2) providing "aid and comfort" to enemies in war. The last time I checked, the US has not declared war with Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_laws_in_the_United_Sta...

I think the Logan act is probably more apt? It came up a year ago when this was originally reported https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-21/musk-told...

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Re: Elon Musk's Conversations with Vladimir Putin

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On the contrary, in this very comment section posters have already called for Musk to be put on trial and possibly executed for treason. That doesn't sound very metaphorical...

Musk is speaking to people who facilitated attacks on U.S. warships. He should not have a security clearance if this is true. If that means him giving up control at SpaceX, so be it.

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