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I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…
Such hardworking Russian bots, wow. They wrote WHOLE 20+ emails in several hours! Linus just dehumanized everyone who dares to disagree with the change and/or ask about why it was done on the 3rd year of the war (an increasingly common way of dealing with opponents, unfortunately). No one even tries to explain why this "compliance" selectively applies to ru emails (oh, look the maintainer has graduated from the Mosco…
Linus explicitly calls out in his email: > And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.
>If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.
Seems like he himself isn't up to date or he would have done this 2 to 9 years ago.
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The west has placed sanctions on Russia. This means western institutions will be penalized for doing business with Russia. Therefore, removing Russian contributors is how these institutions comply with the sanction. I’m struggling to understand how this is confusing to you. Sanctions place pressure on rogue governments by limiting access to our markets. We either comply with the sanctions or we get fined or worse.
Why it's done now when no new sweeping sanctions were introduced? Was Linux Foundation "circumventing" sanctions for many-many months? The US also has active sanctions targeting Huawei, but there is a fair number of people in the maintainers list with Huawei e-mails. Double standards much? UPD: As expected, downwotes is the only response to those questions.
I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…
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Russia may be unique in the sense that its a large country with lots of resources to inflict damage on its neighbours. And maybe one of few big powers that are still more or less left intact after the WWI/II.
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That could be said about just any nation with history. Poland included. Trying to simplify everything based on current historic moment(Russia's agression towards Ukraine) maybe the one thing that makes possible for wars to start in the first place. I am happen to have both polish and russian roots and know quite well how both sides can describe the very same historic event diametrically opposed. Russia may be unique…
Ah yes... so we should pat brave Russians on the back because anything else, let me check the notes... "makes possible for wars to start"... Becase there is no war, only "special military operation", got it.
PS. It's cute that 10y old account with almost no activity now suddenly decided to reactivate itself to comment :D
I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…
"Calmly explained"? Linus is equating having maintainers from Russia with "supporting Russian aggression".
I think Linus has short temper and there are examples of his remarks that are borderline toxic (or cross the line), but this really isn't one of them. The situation is pretty clear and calmly explained by Linus in the quoted messages. They removed contributors from Russia. The main reason is that they were told by a lawyer that they need to do this due to international sanctions. The secondary reason appears to be th…
Linus is a Finn. They have their own bloody history with Russian occupation. I can see how that would run deep. It certainly does, and rightfully so, in Finnish culture as a whole.
Sounds like a resume line item to me 8-)
At least its more sophisticated than calling someone a "wanking walrus", or saying they should have been aborted.
Jokes aside though, this whole situation is very disturbing.
One would hope that free software developers would be more aware than to equate the identity and actions of a nation state with the identity of each and every one of it's geographic inhabitants.
I'm a US citizen, I massively disagree with a lot of what the US government does, especially WRT warfare which is basically mass murder. I would very much expect that many Russian people feel the same way about their government's actions.
From another, completely different argument, when there is conflict, cutting off communications with the conflicting party is counterproductive, e.g. barring Russians from chess tournaments, scientific conferences, etc.
Lastly, how effective can this removal of committers even be? If an account is truly a Russian state operative, does LF actually think that actor would be unable to establish a false account from a US location?
Maybe the way the whole thing played out was really Linus' personal "Scandinavian angst" about Russian aggression? There is a real history there, and Linus does cite his Finnish heritage in the email. If that's the case, we're back to calling people wanking walrus, and it's just another over emotional outburst from Linus, which would be a less concerning cause than the systematic elimination of Russian contributors by the LF organization.
"Getting called "Paid Actor" by Linus Torvalds" Sounds like a resume line item to me 8-) At least its more sophisticated than calling someone a "wanking walrus", or saying they should have been aborted. Jokes aside though, this whole situation is very disturbing. One would hope that free software developers would be more aware than to equate the identity and actions of a nation state with the identity of each and eve…
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In what way is that a compliance reason? On what earth are you putting pressure by removing kudos from a list?
The west has placed sanctions on Russia. This means western institutions will be penalized for doing business with Russia. Therefore, removing Russian contributors is how these institutions comply with the sanction. I’m struggling to understand how this is confusing to you. Sanctions place pressure on rogue governments by limiting access to our markets. We either comply with the sanctions or we get fined or worse.