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AWS CEO tells workers to quit if they don't want to come back to the office

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Re: AWS CEO tells workers to quit if they don't want to come back to the office

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Any statistics on the kind of people that stick to office work. A, B, or C players? Introverts vs extroverts, programmers vs project managers..

I heard Amazon employees were told 9 out of 10 Amazonians were looking forward to returning to the office.

I guess they asked ten employees this question. Nine were on H1B visas, and the tenth was already on Focus/PIP.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember reading a blog post many years ago that stuck with me, I don't remember the title of the post or who wrote it but it was essentially along the lines of "beware when companies start to take away the free snacks". It made a pretty convincing argument about how even seemingly minor changes like that start to signal a greater shift in the companies attitude toward how they want to treat and be perceived by the…

https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

That is the one, thank you!

Re: AWS CEO tells workers to quit if they don't want to come back to the office

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The fact that US labour laws are this weak is a travesty. You can just circumvent severance by making working conditions unpleasant and you don’t even need to hide it.

When I started at Amazon during the pandemic, I asked for something in writing saying my job was "work from home". They told me not to worry about it, because I'd be in the system as remote and they would never return to the office anyway.

Point being, they never actually put "work from home" in anyone's contract, so technically nothing is changing. They are simply enforcing the always existing rules.

I don't work there anymore because I wouldn't go back to the office.

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I hope the next time there is a pandemic like Covid that we do more sensible things like not ban access to outdoor activities, shutdown beaches, shutdown everything for months, destroy the economy, etc.. Also ironically WFH is great unless you are the poor soul who still needs to work on the “front line” every day like warehouse workers, delivery drivers, etc.

Work from home is good for people who have to work in-person, because it lessens the spread.

Also, just because I have a job that has some level of risk does not mean I would expect others to have a similar level of risk. Especially if it can be easily mitigated.

Re: AWS CEO tells workers to quit if they don't want to come back to the office

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The fact that US labour laws are this weak is a travesty. You can just circumvent severance by making working conditions unpleasant and you don’t even need to hide it.

Aren’t they just reverting to the same working conditions they had from the time they were founded until sometime in 2020? Circumventing severance here seems like quite an overstatement.

Amazon has one of the lowest average tenures in the industry. The number of engineers and teams that existed pre-2020 under those working conditions is tiny (except maybe the leadership teams).

Once you have worked a remote/hybrid software job with a remote team you can’t put that genie back in the bottle (or something like that, that DHH said).

Re: AWS CEO tells workers to quit if they don't want to come back to the office

#38

Banning remote work (or even just signaling the intent) is an excellent solution to ‘we effed up by hiring too many people in ZIRP/AI expectations era and now we need to get rid of them without paying severance’.

It's a really bad solution to that: https://www.gartner.com/en/articles/the-data-is-in-return-to...

You end up losing your higher performers, because they have many alternatives, and keeping the people who have fewer options.

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