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Over 40% of foreigner deaths in Korea have unknown causes

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Re: Over 40% of foreigner deaths in Korea have unknown causes

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Post by boodleboodle »

jncfhnb wrote: post #21
boodleboodle wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "fan-death-to-cover-up-suicide" is ABSOLUTELY false and is my greatest pet peeve with the English internet. Someone heard East Asians like to save face and came up with this dehumanizing and derogatory theory. Misconceptions of "fan death" predates any suicidal trends in Korea and if there was any connection to suicides we koreans would be the ones talking about it non-stop. > Most likely the do know the real ca…

Fan death predating the rise in suicide trends makes it seem more likely to me that fan death was used to obscure a suicide. What is your perspective on what it is?

All we know is people were already talking about this in 1910.

Re: Over 40% of foreigner deaths in Korea have unknown causes

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Post by jncfhnb »

boodleboodle wrote: post #31
jncfhnb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fan death predating the rise in suicide trends makes it seem more likely to me that fan death was used to obscure a suicide. What is your perspective on what it is?

All we know is people were already talking about this in 1910.

So why do you think it is offensive to suggest it’s a polite way of obscuring a suicide?

That feels like the most charitable way to interpret people claiming fans are a lethal hazard?

Re: Over 40% of foreigner deaths in Korea have unknown causes

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Post by krageon »

boodleboodle wrote: post #9
Onavo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they also classify suicides as "fan death", saving face is a big thing in that part of the world . Most likely they do know the real cause but chose not to release it if it's not suspicious.

This "fan-death-to-cover-up-suicide" is ABSOLUTELY false and is my greatest pet peeve with the English internet. Someone heard East Asians like to save face and came up with this dehumanizing and derogatory theory. Misconceptions of "fan death" predates any suicidal trends in Korea and if there was any connection to suicides we koreans would be the ones talking about it non-stop. > Most likely the do know the real ca…

Tangentially related, but a lot of the discourse about societies that people are not a part of end up being similar to the discourse around corporations people are not a part of. Folks come up with reasons for why things are the case, and if you are actually part of the thing under discussion it is a mystifying and frustrating experience to see basically everyone is wrong, all the time.

This process really harmed my view of the utility of public discussion of anything. In quality it is about as bad as the average newspaper article. As you are perhaps aware, if the article is about something you know you will realise nearly every article is entirely fabricated. Lots of research papers (at least in the computer science domain) are the same: fabrications that can't be reproduced. Either the algorithm is not published so you can't validate the data or the algorithm is published and the data is just entirely unrelated to it.

Thinking about it, it's kind of a miracle humanity gets anywhere at all. Almost every public resource is aggressively ignorant.

Re: Over 40% of foreigner deaths in Korea have unknown causes

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Post by red-iron-pine »

aithrowawaycomm wrote: post #25
sudosysgen wrote: post #16

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Most industrialized countries do offer single payer healthcare to taxpaying foreigners, perhaps after a reasonable period of time.

No, they offer single-payer healthcare to legal permanent residents. There is a significant gap with temporary residents, including people shuffling back and forth on work visas which might get shadily overextended with under-the-table work, or undocumented immigrants (no reason to use a dishonest and inflammatory term like “taxpaying foreigners” when you mean “legal residents,” paying taxes is not the issue).

> No, they offer single-payer healthcare to legal residents

Don't always need to be permanent. 2 year work visas will often get you covered, caveated with the idea that you're working a job and paying taxes.

many educational visas also cover this, depending on where you're going and where you're from. e.g. Most Europeans in Australia on valid visas have coverage due to reciprocal agreements

Re: Over 40% of foreigner deaths in Korea have unknown causes

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Post by reverendjames »

boodleboodle wrote: post #9
Onavo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they also classify suicides as "fan death", saving face is a big thing in that part of the world . Most likely they do know the real cause but chose not to release it if it's not suspicious.

This "fan-death-to-cover-up-suicide" is ABSOLUTELY false and is my greatest pet peeve with the English internet. Someone heard East Asians like to save face and came up with this dehumanizing and derogatory theory. Misconceptions of "fan death" predates any suicidal trends in Korea and if there was any connection to suicides we koreans would be the ones talking about it non-stop. > Most likely the do know the real ca…

Whenever someone jumped off a building at my engineering school, they were Korean.
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