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Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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An active reading habit (of books) is one of the most reliable ways to achieve wisdom. Why?

- Books require a "Goldilocks" amount of sustained, slow effort given to one topic. Not too costly to pursue that it is a bodily harm risk, but not trivial either in terms of time and attention investment. This slows down the frenetic nature of a mind that latches onto heuristics.

- By being exposed to different well-formed ideas (especially if you disagree) widens perspective in ways lived experience can't. A reader is uniquely exposed to ideas from other times in human history, from people who are long gone.

- A reader develops a practical trust in themselves, particularly in that they know they take auto didacticism seriously, and won't shy away from intellectual challenges, which the world presents constantly. As such, they make better judgements.

People often think that being booksmart is having your head filled with useless facts, but this is almost opposite from reality.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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IQ + EQ Shocker… Suppose that comment reflects low awareness of the HN community

Maybe it is stereotypical, but I would score high on IQ but abysmally low on EQ. So, I have no chance of ever being considered wise.

The good news is that EQ will go up with life experience if 1) you care about it, and 2) you pay attention.

Caring is a big part because it motivates you to pay attention and act on what you learn. (Not caring can also be beneficial -- it makes it much easier to just focus on the technical parts. As with everything, there are trade-offs.)

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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An active reading habit (of books) is one of the most reliable ways to achieve wisdom. Why? - Books require a "Goldilocks" amount of sustained, slow effort given to one topic. Not too costly to pursue that it is a bodily harm risk, but not trivial either in terms of time and attention investment. This slows down the frenetic nature of a mind that latches onto heuristics. - By being exposed to different well-formed id…

Yes! I often put it like this: education/reading is about formation, not just information.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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EQ is definitely learnable. Over twenty years I've gone from clueless to perceptive if I'm paying attention. Unfortunately, in familiar groups where I feel emotionally safe, I tend not to pay the attention as much and just enjoy myself, and then I say things without thinking through how other people might perceive them.

How does one learn to think about the emotional “room temperature” before they speak? My mind doesn’t work that way so I’m curious. Does one pause before every sentence and play out a little scenario in their head of how people will respond? It would do me so much good to improve in this area.

That's a hard question to answer, because I do it automatically, 100% of the time. For me it's probably a result of childhood trauma (and maybe a high degree of empathy).

I suspect most people learn to do it as the result of bad experiences. As with many things, that's more likely in childhood.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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It sounds like the topic is perceived wisdom (“what makes a person seem wise?”) rather than actual (practical) wisdom which is good use of knowledge and experience to make good decisions.

I say this because I know folks who seem wise (perceived as high IQ and EQ) but lack judgment, because they are working off models of the world that does not comport with reality, so their utterings do not work in real life. Wisdom isn’t about batting a thousand of course but wisdom is about always allowing reality be the teacher.

Many people who present as wise are academics and gurus and they sound really good on podcasts but don’t have much empiricism and experience doing hard things.

Ironically people who are reflective and have gone through the crucible of running a business (or doing something with a lot of headwinds) end up being actually wiser because they have to deal with world (and its flaws) as is, not as they think it should be.

Stonebraker is an opinionated figure in the database world but he has started so many companies and have dealt with the realities of how people use databases that his judgement (which could still be wrong by the way) would carry more weight than a pure database researcher who says all the right things.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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Wisdom is the size of your context window. Simply: how much are you considering when you make your decisions.

I don't think that is true.

I think wisdom has a lot more with paying attention, being self-reflective, and accumulating experience, as well as caring about the questioner. A wide context window at the moment of the question doesn't help much if you haven't noticed and reflected.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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An active reading habit (of books) is one of the most reliable ways to achieve wisdom. Why? - Books require a "Goldilocks" amount of sustained, slow effort given to one topic. Not too costly to pursue that it is a bodily harm risk, but not trivial either in terms of time and attention investment. This slows down the frenetic nature of a mind that latches onto heuristics. - By being exposed to different well-formed id…

I think this makes sense, because, in general, wisdom requires gathering experience and reflecting on it (well in advance of any questions). Reading is an activity that promotes that.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SBF doesn't strike me as "highly intelligent" in the least.

He got hired by Jane Street, that's a very high bar.

This will probably sound ridiculous, but I can't get over the fact that he was playing Dota 2 for years, thousands of games played and was still in bronze league. I consider RTS games like this a proxy for intelligence, and while it isn't a perfect proxy due to it also requiring hand dexterity / mechanical skill / some arbitrary memorization, I do still think it's a good indicator that there was something off with him mentally.

You should passively improve with the amount of games he had under his belt, even if you put no conscious thought into why it is that you're losing or what you could be doing better. He performed at a level which is what, the lowest 10% or 20% of players? Many of whom were probably new to the game because most people will climb in rank over time.

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