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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by carlosjobim »

MicolashKyoka wrote: post #9

this is a dumb feature, you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created (ie machine or human made). the anti ai-generated image crowd is a loud minority, they won't matter in the long term and spending dev time on this is questionable decision making at best. now if you're a forensics company or that is the angle, then yeah it could be an interesting tool to have, might be even more profita…

> you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created

Maybe when it comes to art, but not when it comes to anything else. If I want to know what something looks like in reality, AI results won't be of use.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by GaggiX »

>this feature relies on the website's reputation rather than analyzing individual images.

Okay, this would not work for Reddit, where many of the AI-generated images come from, or any other site that allows user-generated content (unless the site is strictly AI-related).

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by freediver »

Etheryte wrote: post #25
freediver wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind being specific and posting a search quality issue with a concrete example(s) to kagifeedback.org? We are keen to address the issues you are seeing.

I actually did post on your feedback site nearly a year ago, still no feedback or response on it so far [0]. It's been marked as under review, so it must be one thorough review process. [0] https://kagifeedback.org/d/2565-image-search-doesnt-respect-...

Thanks, replied in the thread.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by freediver »

yzydserd wrote: post #7
Etheryte wrote: post #5

This is a solid idea, but I wish they addressed the elephant in the room — image search is by far the weakest part of Kagi. For a considerable portion of queries, a large part of the results isn't relevant. If you use filters, they're often ignored or don't apply correctly. Many images are tangentially related at best. The list goes on. I've been paying for Kagi for a long while, yet I've seen nearly no improvements…

I agree. I’ve often wondered, what could be the possible reason given Kagi is using google APIs behind the scenes?

Do you have any example to share? (we do not hear this feedback frequently so want to make sure we address it, thanks!)

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by Topgamer7 »

freediver wrote: post #18
Etheryte wrote: post #5

This is a solid idea, but I wish they addressed the elephant in the room — image search is by far the weakest part of Kagi. For a considerable portion of queries, a large part of the results isn't relevant. If you use filters, they're often ignored or don't apply correctly. Many images are tangentially related at best. The list goes on. I've been paying for Kagi for a long while, yet I've seen nearly no improvements…

Would you mind being specific and posting a search quality issue with a concrete example(s) to kagifeedback.org? We are keen to address the issues you are seeing.

I'm a subscriber. But I don't feel like creating a signup for kagifeedback.

https://kagi.com/images?q=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com%2Fp...

Lets use this as an example. I would personally like to have a list of exact results. Separately - a list of similar images would maybe be nice. But tbh, 99.99% of the time with reverse image search, I am trying to play detective, not find similar images. I am usually looking to see the first, original source of something. Or maybe other places I can find this image.

I will point out that detective stuff like this is crucial to try to prevent being catfished, or phished. I am not ignorant that it is also a concern for those who don't want to be found, for privacy or safety reasons; however some threat actor could just find a less public reverse image search I'm sure.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by dingnuts »

Etheryte wrote: post #5

This is a solid idea, but I wish they addressed the elephant in the room — image search is by far the weakest part of Kagi. For a considerable portion of queries, a large part of the results isn't relevant. If you use filters, they're often ignored or don't apply correctly. Many images are tangentially related at best. The list goes on. I've been paying for Kagi for a long while, yet I've seen nearly no improvements…

Well, your anecdote is completely contrary to mine. Image search has always worked great for me and it's easier to save the image because Kagi doesn't play games with the source of the image like Google Images does.

It's Google Images that I find unusable.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by tikhonj »

MicolashKyoka wrote: post #9

this is a dumb feature, you should judge an image by your perception of it, not how it was created (ie machine or human made). the anti ai-generated image crowd is a loud minority, they won't matter in the long term and spending dev time on this is questionable decision making at best. now if you're a forensics company or that is the angle, then yeah it could be an interesting tool to have, might be even more profita…

Should I? If I want to see what something looks like, I want a photograph of it, not some half-confabulated garbage. Sure photos can be over-the-top edited and retouched, but at least they have a reasonable starting point. AI images don't; they have a tenuous connection to reality at best, especially if I care about little details.

Similarly, there is a definite qualitative difference between some actual hand-drawn art and something entirely generated by a model. It's a pretty obvious distinction and it's more than reasonable for people to care about it.

Not to mention how much AI-generated imagery is absolutely tasteless slop. That certainly describes the obvious AI examples in the article! If all the filtering feature does is block those—and, unfortunately, it probably can't do more than that—it would still be really great. Even without AI we were already beset by visual garbage; AI has only made it easier to generate it; having some way to even partially filter it out is the least we should aim for.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by doe_eyes »

alpaca128 wrote: post #11
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #3

This feature may single-handedly make me pay for Kagi rather than using the free trial searches. Looking for drawing references is infuriating these days with the amount of AI.

For Google Images I've had success with filtering by date to exclude everything posted since about 2023. That said this feature might still be useful, especially if it's extended to normal search results for sites with AI-generated articles etc.

This works wonderfully, but is obviously not sustainable. It's not just that you miss out on newer content, but content rot progresses pretty quickly. Old Reddit accounts are deleted or blocked, Flickr users stop paying their subscription fees, etc.

There are so many photobucket.com URLs buried in old forum posts that no longer work...

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by [deleted] »

alpaca128 wrote: post #11
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #3

This feature may single-handedly make me pay for Kagi rather than using the free trial searches. Looking for drawing references is infuriating these days with the amount of AI.

For Google Images I've had success with filtering by date to exclude everything posted since about 2023. That said this feature might still be useful, especially if it's extended to normal search results for sites with AI-generated articles etc.

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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by dmonitor »

Etheryte wrote: post #5

This is a solid idea, but I wish they addressed the elephant in the room — image search is by far the weakest part of Kagi. For a considerable portion of queries, a large part of the results isn't relevant. If you use filters, they're often ignored or don't apply correctly. Many images are tangentially related at best. The list goes on. I've been paying for Kagi for a long while, yet I've seen nearly no improvements…

Image search is the one area in Kagi that I've seen the most improvement over the past year. When I first subscribed, I'd often switch to Google to find what I was looking for. Nowadays it works exactly as I intend.
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