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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

phoe-krk wrote: post #27
lukan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by bayindirh »

gtvwill wrote: post #21
threeseed wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well pack it up boys, Linux on the desktop is finally ready.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company. Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolu…

> Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken.

Doing this more than a decade? Didn't see any brokenness to be honest.

> Wanna use your 7 year old Mac to browse the web? Oh wait you can't because the os blocks it.

Nope. My 2014 MBP is a happy camper and use it daily at home. No blocks whatsoever.

> Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings

That's true though. Laptop power management is not there yet, but I prefer Linux over anything else for the last ~15 years or so. I use Mac laptops because I like the hardware and see where another UNIX based OS is.

> Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones.

I think Apple phones are relatively easy to mass-manage via Apple Configurator, but MDM is a totally different story in macOS. Glad that my machines are not managed.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by eru »

threeseed wrote: post #9
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

I have never heard of anyone with this issue. The only explanation is that you restarted whilst having the "Open All Previous Application" checkbox enabled. And yes it will launch processes after you have logged in but before the Desktop is shown. Either that you or you have some launch daemon that is opening a browser.

I also have this issue from time to time.

> The only explanation is that [...]

Please show some more imagination.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lupusreal »

olyjohn wrote: post #17
threeseed wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never heard of anyone with this issue. The only explanation is that you restarted whilst having the "Open All Previous Application" checkbox enabled. And yes it will launch processes after you have logged in but before the Desktop is shown. Either that you or you have some launch daemon that is opening a browser.

I've had similar experiences with MacOS. I uncheck that goddamn box all the time and still it relaunches previously opened applications half the time. If my application or computer crashes, I don't want the crashy application to open up at startup again. MacOS isn't perfect.

OSX is particularly lousy with remembering user preferences and configuration. I quit using it after I grew sick of raging at it forgetting what applications want different files to open with. I've never had this sort of problem on Linux.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by phoe-krk »

eru wrote: post #31
phoe-krk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The differences between governments and megacorps are dwindling and the two are becoming much more alike one another. We already live in global technofeudalism.

Alas, no. By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations. MNCs also don't force you to pay taxes or buy their products.

Governments are adopting the international outreach of megacorps.

Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments.

I see no contradiction here.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by [deleted] »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #11
mgoetzke wrote: post #2

it also leaks the audio of tabs before logging in. Even though I had disabled all 'restore' applications features, macos sometimes decides to 'start' browsers BEFORE logging in after a restart AND those start auto-playing audio from whatever was paused before the reboot (or many days before). Since then I went rather deep disabling that feature, but I never trusted it.

They want their TCP/IP stack and safari browser hot and ready for their demanders of instant gratification. In the long run, they barter this goodwill for "Safari is shit" credit until they and Google force the internet until a browser-turned App-Play-Store war. Both companies win, and can blame the other company - all while incentivising anti-competition behavior and benefiting from their own organizational, yet alt…

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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by mgoetzke »

latexr wrote: post #5
Affric wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

That’s an unfair characterisation. It’s just restoring windows, some of which happen to be browser windows, which then load a website with auto-playing video or audio that (unsurprisingly) starts playing. No one is selling it as a feature to “play sound when waking up from sleep”. I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen. To clarify, because commenters seem to be misunderstand…

To clarify it restores windows AFTER a reboot, BEFORE i login.

What RIGHT does it have to create processes with a user BEFORE I authenticate to the machine ?

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lionkor »

sureIy wrote: post #29
gtvwill wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company. Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolu…

Can I ctrl-paste the contents of my phone's clipboard onto my Linux computer? How many hours would that take to set up? Because that works out of the box with Macs and iPhones. Pretty useful daily.

Kde connect works fine most of the time to share clipboard, send files, etc

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by dspillett »

latexr wrote: post #5
Affric wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of anything I want less from a laptop than it playing sound when I open it… and yet apple bring it to me as though it’s a feature.

That’s an unfair characterisation. It’s just restoring windows, some of which happen to be browser windows, which then load a website with auto-playing video or audio that (unsurprisingly) starts playing. No one is selling it as a feature to “play sound when waking up from sleep”. I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen. To clarify, because commenters seem to be misunderstand…

No one is selling it as a feature, no, but I would still consider it an OS level bug, and a security one at that. Focusing on the browser is a step away from the point: if I'm not signed in, I don't want sound playing from any app⁰.

I've had Windows do something similar, a media player deciding to unpause when coming up from hibernate (this was before Windows seemingly broke hibernate) and for some reason being at full volume, and it was a fair few seconds before I was able to login, get to that app, and hit pause again. It didn't leak anything sensitive (Hey everyone, this guy watches Stargate!) but it made me “that guy we all hate” on the train… Again it is the app that is responsible for making the sound, but I think at that point the OS shouldn't let it.

I miss the times when laptops had physical volume sliders…

To me this has the feeling of making a mountain out of a molehill, but I don't think there is any denying that the molehill itself exists and to others it might be more than the very minor irritation it could be to me.

> I bet that if you configured the browser to never auto-play, this wouldn’t happen.

I bet that no matter how tightly you try to control that, some advertiser will find a way to override it to make sound play, and sods law says that will happen when you most want your waking laptop to be quiet. Blocking audio while not signed in at the OS level is a safer gate.

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[0] Actually, there is an exception there: if the machine has locked due to input inactivity, I want audio I'm listening to continue and notification pips to come through. There is a distinction between OS restarting (from [re]boot, wake, etc.) and local console not logged in due to input timeout, in how I'd prefer things to behave.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by rand0mx1 »

sureIy wrote: post #29
gtvwill wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on desktop has been ready for years now, it absolutely shreds apple and microsofts offerings, ubuntu desktop is about as schmick as it gets regardless of your views of the parent company. Mac on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to administer for clients. Same with their phones. Printing from web browser on a Mac? Completely broken. Have to save everything to desktop and open it from there. It's an absolu…

Can I ctrl-paste the contents of my phone's clipboard onto my Linux computer? How many hours would that take to set up? Because that works out of the box with Macs and iPhones. Pretty useful daily.

It's quite easy with kdeconnect.
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