Not only the climate is warmer than models anticipated, we're doing worse to prevent it than pessimistic expectations.
Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
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Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#32Capitalism is now trying to avoid doing the absolute minimum that we would need to do if the climate catastrophe shall be avoided. In fact I am convinced that if you had to invent a system that that optimized a societies reaction to climate annihilation in such a way that it does the bare minimum as predicted to be needed by climate models it would probably look a lot like what we have today. The inly issue with that…
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Which communist china are you talking about? That thing has stopped existing decades ago.
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you mean "a full model so that you can analyze it with fluid dynamics, differential equations, and thermodynamics", or do you mean "a pre made Gish Gallop that you can rattle off without having to actually think about any of them"?
Don’t be anti-intellectual by default
The "models are wrong" climate change deniers basically mean that the prior likelihood of someone on the internet being genuinely interested in understanding and improving the models is below 1%.
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#34Wasn't this a result of removing sulfur from Ocean going vessel fuels?
No.
Nor the water vapor producing volcanic eruption either.
Both are addressed in the article along with other possibilities.
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#35We all live in the same planet, the most reasonable way to share this is that we get an equal share. For far to long certain countries have taken up much more of their share. To such a point that our whole carbon budget has been used in a single or two generations. Now is the time for those better of to contribute their fair share in solving this mess.
which countries? china, the west?
more importantly, we should stop pointing fingers and act within our reach!
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people keep bringing up coastal flooding? Its one of the smallest and least concerning climate change effects. The 10cm sea level rise over the next few decades isnt very relevant and the speculation about increased storms is highly location dependent and low confidence. Far more problematic are the effects on farming of a degree rise. Its also very degrowth to conflate energy use with CO2 emissions. Many type…
> Far more problematic are the effects on farming of a degree rise. Temperature and co2 increases are beneficial to plant growth. What is the problematic aspect you are referring to?
Most plants have a range of acceptable temperatures. Drought is also an issue, which is downstream both literally and metaphorically of rainfall and its interaction with climate.
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#37Governments still don't take it seriously though. Here in Spain, we still plan to shut down our nuclear reactors (while many other countries are restarting their nuclear programmes) and at the same time the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs so the transition to electric vehicles remains unaffordable for most people. When appeasing an ideological voter base or German shareholders remains more important th…
> the EU has placed crippling tariffs on Chinese EVs
That was my "OK, so you're completely unserious about this" moment. Governments have been subsidizing EVs, now they're cheap enough to not require subsidy, and you're cutting them off to appease the VW liars?
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people keep bringing up coastal flooding? Its one of the smallest and least concerning climate change effects. The 10cm sea level rise over the next few decades isnt very relevant and the speculation about increased storms is highly location dependent and low confidence. Far more problematic are the effects on farming of a degree rise. Its also very degrowth to conflate energy use with CO2 emissions. Many type…
> Far more problematic are the effects on farming of a degree rise. Temperature and co2 increases are beneficial to plant growth. What is the problematic aspect you are referring to?
Extreme rain, extreme drought. And that degree rise is on average it's going to be much worse in some place.
Just look at the production if coffee recently, its a catastrophe.
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#39We all live in the same planet, the most reasonable way to share this is that we get an equal share. For far to long certain countries have taken up much more of their share. To such a point that our whole carbon budget has been used in a single or two generations. Now is the time for those better of to contribute their fair share in solving this mess.
> the most reasonable way to
> share this is that we get an
> equal share. For far to long
> certain countries have taken
> up much more of their share.
Yes, we sure got the raw end of that deal by having more developed countries spearhead technological development.
I'd much rather be doing sustainance farming today, rather than taking my chances with the IPCC's estimate of climate change depressing world GDP by 2-10% in 2100.
Yes, developed countries should be leading the way to becoming carbon neutral or negative, e.g. with nuclear, solar, etc.
But let's not make this into some mischaracterization of early industrialized countries taking something away from the rest of us. That's bullshit.
Re: Since spring of 2023, the world has been warmer than climate models anticipated
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people keep bringing up coastal flooding? Its one of the smallest and least concerning climate change effects. The 10cm sea level rise over the next few decades isnt very relevant and the speculation about increased storms is highly location dependent and low confidence. Far more problematic are the effects on farming of a degree rise. Its also very degrowth to conflate energy use with CO2 emissions. Many type…
> Far more problematic are the effects on farming of a degree rise. Temperature and co2 increases are beneficial to plant growth. What is the problematic aspect you are referring to?
...that is not how any of that works, to the point that it's literally a coal-mining company talking point I remember from like, the 2000s (from a video made in the 90s).
Which should be trivially resolved by examining whether a temperate region undergoing a drought is "benefiting from increased temperatures".