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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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It’s also probably 5x more expensive than a decade ago. As you said, still painful to use.

Maybe cheaper labour brings hidden expenses.

You can ask Boeing ;)

Joking, I do not think it is the case, BUT I do know that cheap is often more expensive

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Is anyone really surprised? At the risk of sounding racist (though I'm Indian, so I guess I get some leeway here), there are likely more biases at play than it seems. You’ll see South or North Indians from a particular state prefer hiring employees from the same state, who speak the same language, and who look like them. And it doesn’t stop there. Caste discrimination plays a role too, and it even has its own Wiki pa…

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You can't make yourself look less racist by pointing to other racist cultures (while describing with details your own racist behavior).

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Which explains why its market value is hovering at $160 while its former worth, when it was properly managed, was $3-400. Am I spot on? The problem is that every Fortune 500’s internal systems are hooked up to it.

Atlassian? As a user, I haven't noticed any decline in quality; it's just as painful to use now as it was a decade ago.

A decade ago, you could self-host though.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Is anyone really surprised? At the risk of sounding racist (though I'm Indian, so I guess I get some leeway here), there are likely more biases at play than it seems. You’ll see South or North Indians from a particular state prefer hiring employees from the same state, who speak the same language, and who look like them. And it doesn’t stop there. Caste discrimination plays a role too, and it even has its own Wiki pa…

The beauty of casteism, and religious discrimination (and less so racism/sexism, though it is certainly possible ) is the near fractal nature of the ability to discriminate against someone. After all, there are 3000 ‘main’ castes and 25,000 sub-castes. [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India ], and with religious discrimination you can always go into sectarianism/what guru to follow. It’s the discrimi…

The fractal nature of it is truly remarkable. When you zoom out, you see what was essentially one people split along religious borders with India and Pakistan. Zoom in, and you see finer and finer levels of cultural discrimination.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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I am seeing the flight to low cost countries now termed as "Best" cost countries is afoot in Europe. Germany has shot itself in the foot by destroying its energy sector. Now that the energy prices have shot through the roof most of the industries are going to get outsourced. The thirst for cheap labour and where the laws especially labour laws are lax is a wet dream for management.

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As a casual observer, their culture seems to include considerable classism; to the degree that 'where are you from?' appears to be an extremely common and loaded question [saved for the locals]. I only recognize it because it exists in mine, not a judgement.

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It's the same as saying all whites are racist. Both are wrong.

To say that some quality is embedded in a culture isn’t even close to the same as saying all people originating from that culture possess that quality. The extent to which India’s (racist) caste system is embedded in its culture is hardly up for serious debate, the influence it has in India has basically been proven by science at this point.

> https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/01/the-caste-system-has...

A hypothetical claim that all Indians are racist would clearly be absurd, but it’s hardly surprising to find a group of Indians practicing something that is openly part of their native culture.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Source article is here: https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/10/07/h-1b-visa-company-sup...

Paywall workaround: https://archive.is/PiMNU

Another non-paywall article on the same topic: https://insider.govtech.com/california/news/jury-finds-discr...

It's about the (previously) Indian outsourcing firm and H-1B body shop supplying contractors to SV companies. It's unrelated to the Indian manager only hiring Indians phenomenon which many people here are discussing; FWIW I believe it was quite widespread at least back when I was in the Valley, but this ruling doesn't address that in any way.

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