Live data from Hacker News

California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

fortune.com

31–40 of 66 posts

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#31
post #2

We basically already have this in the UK, and is is helpful. But we still waste too much! One of the local groups that I work with (ish) saves huge amounts of stuff from supermarkets regularly that would otherwise be discarded.

You waste too much. What other people do is not your business.

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the confusion is over the price of an item beyond its magical date. The pipelines producing milk and eggs perpetually need shelf space tomorrow, so the date is an ordinal signal. These rules are the same independent of the political persuasion of the farmers and grocers involved.

Do you think this will lead to some kind of price decay scheme based on freshness? I occasionally see something like but nothing regular enough to plan shopping around buying almost expired products.

Our local shop has a section for goods expiring that day, which are cheaper. It's good.

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#34
I guess the question I’ve always had with the “sell by” label is, how much longer is the food good for after that date? A “best before” date would at least give me a chance at not messing that up.

However it’s all just a shot in the dark anyway isn’t it ?

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#35
post #2

We basically already have this in the UK, and is is helpful. But we still waste too much! One of the local groups that I work with (ish) saves huge amounts of stuff from supermarkets regularly that would otherwise be discarded.

You waste too much. What other people do is not your business.

> You waste too much.

You have no information about how much waste they produce.

> What other people do is not your business.

We cant comment that grocery stores throw out too much food because it’s not our business?

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the confusion is over the price of an item beyond its magical date. The pipelines producing milk and eggs perpetually need shelf space tomorrow, so the date is an ordinal signal. These rules are the same independent of the political persuasion of the farmers and grocers involved.

Do you think this will lead to some kind of price decay scheme based on freshness? I occasionally see something like but nothing regular enough to plan shopping around buying almost expired products.

It happens here in Switzerland. There's even an app where you reserve a "mystery" bag, you go right before the shop closes (which is usually 6 or 7pm) and you get a random assortment based on what's about to expire at a massively reduced price (like 1/3).

Of course you cannot really rely on it if you have a specific meal in mind, but it's pretty good as an add-on, and it makes you try things you wouldn't usually buy.

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#37
I noticed that the wording on my raw chicken from Whole Foods changed to "best if used by" from "use or freeze by." I worry because they aren't equivalent. Is Amazon just weaseling so they can sell older food?

Why can't we just use expiration dates? How long is this safe to eat?

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think this will lead to some kind of price decay scheme based on freshness? I occasionally see something like but nothing regular enough to plan shopping around buying almost expired products.

It happens here in Switzerland. There's even an app where you reserve a "mystery" bag, you go right before the shop closes (which is usually 6 or 7pm) and you get a random assortment based on what's about to expire at a massively reduced price (like 1/3). Of course you cannot really rely on it if you have a specific meal in mind, but it's pretty good as an add-on, and it makes you try things you wouldn't usually buy.

That already exists in California, and is entirely unrelated the new legislation.

The law is simply that you cant use various labels like "enjoy by" or "Best by" and instead, all non-safety dates must use the exact words "best if used by".

82001. (a) On and after January 1, 2025, a food manufacturer, processor, or retailer responsible for the labeling of food items for human consumption that chooses, or is otherwise required by law, to display a date label to communicate a quality or safety date on a food item manufactured on or after January 1, 2025, shall use one of the following uniform terms on the date label:

(1) “BEST if Used by” or “BEST if Used or Frozen by” to indicate the quality date of the food item.

(2) “USE by” or “USE by or Freeze by” to indicate the safety date of the food item.

(3) “BB” to indicate the quality date of the food item if the food item is too small to include the uniform term described in paragraph (1).

(4) “UB” to indicate the safety date of the food item if the food item is too small to include the uniform term described in paragraph (2).

https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB660/id/2837671

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#39
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Why does that framing confuse you?

I think it is confusing because I dont think that replacing the texts "enjoy by" with “BEST if Used by” will have the impact the California legislature says it will of 20% reduction in statewide food waste.

It is confusing because I'm not sure if they are just boldly lying and actually that delusional.

Re: California first state to ban 'sell by' 'best before' label to reduce food waste

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

No, the confusion is over the price of an item beyond its magical date. The pipelines producing milk and eggs perpetually need shelf space tomorrow, so the date is an ordinal signal. These rules are the same independent of the political persuasion of the farmers and grocers involved.

This law makes no change to which products must be labeled. It bans consumer readable "sell by" dates voluntarily used for inventory management.

The only consumer readable dates allowed now are 1) "BEST if Used by” and 2) “USE by” for safety expiry.

Edit: For the skeptics, read the law

https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB660/id/2837671

Post reply on HN