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Re: Oura Ring 4

#31
I really like the Oura, and have had a 2nd gen which works great for nearly 7 years- battery still going strong. However the 2nd gen had no monthly subscription fee, which I really hate... I am not sure if I would be willing to upgrade, as I have a huge aversion to subscription fees.

Overall, I don't really like their software either- in my experience their 'sleep score' is in no way correlated with quality of sleep, just length. The main factor in my sleep score that makes it really high is having severe accumulated sleep deprivation, so I sleep longer. In my opinion factors like sleep efficiency (e.g. not waking up a lot) should be the main thing in the score. Ultimately nobody really knows what "good" sleep is- it is variable from person to person and can't be meaningfully represented as a single number.

I generally just pull the data into Python, and analyze it myself.

Probably my most interesting finding is the massive negative impact even small amounts of alcohol have on my sleep. Even a single beer 4 hours before bedtime almost completely eliminates deep sleep. I've come to the conclusion that drinking early in the day is likely actually somewhat healthier, despite being culturally unacceptable. I've also found that the humidity really affects my sleep - especially altering breath rate- but I'm not sure what to make of that.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#32
> With scientifically validated sensing capabilities, ...

What does scientifically validating mean here? In my opinion, that just makes this article sound like marketing.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#33
Damn, I would really like such a thing, if it was just the hardware and not the associated lock in to a third party getting their grubby hands on my internal metrics.

I'd pay a premium for it even, which makes you wonder just how much money Oura must be making off the data of its users... (if they weren't, there'd be an incentive to sell the hardware)

Re: Oura Ring 4

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post #33

Damn, I would really like such a thing, if it was just the hardware and not the associated lock in to a third party getting their grubby hands on my internal metrics. I'd pay a premium for it even, which makes you wonder just how much money Oura must be making off the data of its users... (if they weren't, there'd be an incentive to sell the hardware)

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807567908753.html

You can get similar HW for $10-$15, and not the easiest hack but looks doable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w90RVspTkt8

I'm surprised Oura hasn't pursued using the ring as an input method as the guy suggests in the video. It'd be super cool to like double-tap the ring then use it as a scroll wheel when running and listening to music/podcasts, interact with AI models, etc.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#36

I'd be curious to hear from Oura Ring fans what they find so useful about them beyond the initial period where you get to diagnose poor sleep patterns and maybe a low step count. What value do you get out of it long term?

Older M, Oura 3 user since the pre-sale (2 or 3 years). Haven't looked yet at the 4 but suspect I will get it.

Two reasons. First- the best way to understand it, for technical folks who, say, operate software services- your main source of telemetry about yourself- more specifically, your cognitive operating capacity- is what's called interoception. This includes some more or less binary measures that your brain LLM has developed/evolved over time, as well as a bunch of qualitative factors that are themselves often an unreliable indicator of the "load" your "system" may be facing (from infection, injury, overeating, alcohol, stress, whatever). How do you "feel"? Eh, that's not reliable.

The Oura is a good enough quantitative sensor that conveys a number of metrics that are extremely useful in understanding factors impacting the "performance" of your "system." Overnight heart rate, temperature, HRV, actual sleep stages and sequences and times- it isn't obvious to someone if they haven't received this data, but once you start receiving it, it is tremendously useful, both because it is explanatory and because it is actionable. Life is a continual maintenance process and in the absence of that telemetry, you're going to be less responsive to certain categories of challenges your person is exposed to. The Oura has often picked up on or provided a heads up that my person was under load in ways I was not consciously aware of, and that has been helpful in allowing me to plan to, like, take a nap, to improve recovery, or pick up my exercise routine. When you don't have this data, you just don't know what you're missing.

The second reason is that the Oura business continues to work to deepen the metrics and the distillations in ways that initially don't seem (to me) to be immediately valuable- a newish metric called "resilience" is an example of this- but then as I follow the telemetry over time my mental model evolves to understand and identify what actual aspect of my interoceptive experience that metric attempts to quantify. This work is insightful, almost art, and takes judgement, and I have been impressed by the Oura team's decisions here. So I am happy to continue to give them my money- it is far more useful of a subscription than, like, $15/mo for Spotify.

I will probably get the 4- I assume that it will be a more sensitive instrument. Right now the 3 has some instrumentation flaws and limitations. It sometimes misses naps or certain activities. It only samples temp and heartrate once a minute. There is a fair amount of modeling on top of the underlying dataset. I imagine the 4 will represent an advance in sensitivity, and therefore hopefully an improvement in the models reporting metrics.

Hope that's helpful. Really is super useful as continual telemetry.

Re: Oura Ring 4

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post #31

I really like the Oura, and have had a 2nd gen which works great for nearly 7 years- battery still going strong. However the 2nd gen had no monthly subscription fee, which I really hate... I am not sure if I would be willing to upgrade, as I have a huge aversion to subscription fees. Overall, I don't really like their software either- in my experience their 'sleep score' is in no way correlated with quality of sleep,…

If you wake up a lot at night and still feel tired in the morning... have you tried doing a sleep study? I believe that obstructive sleep apnea is severely under-diagnosed.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#38

I'd be curious to hear from Oura Ring fans what they find so useful about them beyond the initial period where you get to diagnose poor sleep patterns and maybe a low step count. What value do you get out of it long term?

I have an Oura Ring 3 and I find it useful to:

* Track my sleep (ongoing, not just initially) - My sleep wasn't as good as I thought it was, so it's good to try and improve my sleep hygiene. I like seeing how much deep and REM sleep I got the night before and my blood oxygen levels. The app will advise to take it easy if it thinks your readiness isn't good, which is a good excuse to chill out :)

* Daily slovenliness tracker - it'll remind me to get up and have a move around if I've been sat still too long.

I've started resistance training recently and it's good to see the progress before any significant outward physical differences appear:

* Track my workouts

* Track activity - its figures are a little on the high side for calories burned, but if you treat it as a relative guide, then it's useful.

* Track recovery

* Track heart-rate and resting heart-rate

* Track heart-rate variability

* Measure VO2 Max

* Track stress - I always thought my intense periods of work were potentially stressful, turns out they're not and I rarely get stressed!

I pay no attention to the 'steps' figure, instead the app sets a daily goal - based on your readiness - with calories burned (or sometimes it'll tell you to have some downtime if your body temperature is high, or your sleep was poor, or your recovery wasn't good).

The long-term trends it tracks are just good to see, as one of the other commentators said: it's telemetry for you. The app is actually good. Which I don't say about many apps. It's certainly much, much better than the Apple Health app.

I don't consider the data to be super accurate (I haven't put it against any professional monitoring tech), it's all about relative changes to your vitals over time imho. I had no idea where my physiology was before, now I feel like I have a pretty good handle on it. As someone approaching 50 it's nice to confirm that I'm not dying yet ;)

I have pre-ordered an Oura Ring 4, even though the improvements seem relatively minimal, mostly because they're just useful enough and I buy into what they're doing and think they deserve to succeed.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#39
So, do I get any functionality if I just buy the ring, or do I _have to_ subscribe? I mean does the ring have any basic features that work without subscription, or do I pay monthly even for the basic features?

If it's the latter it's a big no.

Re: Oura Ring 4

#40
I'll eventually upgrade my Oura Ring 3, but I'm irked about the need for a new charger. Yeah, it comes with one, but I need a second one because of my living arrangements. So it's another $59 because they couldn't make the new ring compatible with the old charger.

I've had mine for over two years now, and I've been pretty happy with it. I got it as an alternative to an Apple Watch for health & fitness monitoring, and it has turned out better than I expected. I think it's better than the watch in some ways, such as the battery life being long enough, and the ring being comfortable enough that I can easily use it while sleeping.

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