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炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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asddubs wrote: post #25
coder543 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation is difficult at the best of times. I thought it was interesting how Google Translate seemingly kept coming up with different translations for the name of the program. Under “Features”, it suddenly decides the name is “Takigami”, as one example. By the end, it even goes so far as to say: “When you start up the cooking program , the following screen will be displayed.” I asked ChatGPT 4o to translate the RE…

I think I would prefer a slightly worse translator program than one that potentially hallucinates new information onto the page

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Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by joshdavham »

AndyKelley wrote: post #28
joshdavham wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha can you read Japanese though? It's beautiful for sure and it even feels a little different when reading it as if you're, in a way, sorta sounding about pictures. But man is it a pain in the butt to learn!

全く私も思います。二年前から勉強していますけどまだまだです。

まだまだ indeed…

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by coder543 »

asddubs wrote: post #25
coder543 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation is difficult at the best of times. I thought it was interesting how Google Translate seemingly kept coming up with different translations for the name of the program. Under “Features”, it suddenly decides the name is “Takigami”, as one example. By the end, it even goes so far as to say: “When you start up the cooking program , the following screen will be displayed.” I asked ChatGPT 4o to translate the RE…

I think I would prefer a slightly worse translator program than one that potentially hallucinates new information onto the page

Google Translate frequently makes plenty of errors/hallucinations. I pointed out several above in this very thread!

When accuracy is absolutely critical, don’t depend on machine translation alone, and especially don’t depend on a single machine translation without cross checking it. As it is, I have anecdotally only had good experiences when comparing GPT-4o’s translation quality to Google Translate. I would love to see objective research into the topic, if someone were offering it, but not trite dismissals that imply Google Translate is somehow immune to hallucinations.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by sdlion »

coder543 wrote: post #18
downvotetruth wrote: post #5

So this does not get flagged: https://github-com.translate.goog/mitoma/kashiki2?_x_tr_sl=a... Also, hotkey(s) for a set of predefined isomorphic camera views would seem useful; maybe I am not seeing it? https://github.com/mitoma/kashiki2/blob/main/kashikishi/asse...

Translation is difficult at the best of times. I thought it was interesting how Google Translate seemingly kept coming up with different translations for the name of the program. Under “Features”, it suddenly decides the name is “Takigami”, as one example. By the end, it even goes so far as to say: “When you start up the cooking program , the following screen will be displayed.” I asked ChatGPT 4o to translate the RE…

As a note, for Japanese text deepl is widely used even by Japanese people. From eng to jpn it may not choose properly nuanced words though, but it largely produces acceptable translations.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by superjan »

kibwen wrote: post #21
Rendello wrote: post #6

Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

English had beautiful writing, but it was destroyed by technology. First by the printing press, then by typewriters, then by low-resolution computer monitors. All of the human character and calligraphic qualities of the script have been mechanically stripped away in order to better accommodate what are now outdated legacy technologies, but everyone is so used to the status quo that we don't even realize what we've lo…

In such an alternative tech free universe, I guess most of us would be illiterate farmers.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by Dalewyn »

asddubs wrote: post #25
coder543 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation is difficult at the best of times. I thought it was interesting how Google Translate seemingly kept coming up with different translations for the name of the program. Under “Features”, it suddenly decides the name is “Takigami”, as one example. By the end, it even goes so far as to say: “When you start up the cooking program , the following screen will be displayed.” I asked ChatGPT 4o to translate the RE…

I think I would prefer a slightly worse translator program than one that potentially hallucinates new information onto the page

Human translators can "hallucinate" new bullshit too, sometimes deliberately.

Source: Was fansub translator, partook in many translator flame wars over translation disagreements and we all shook heads at the work of craplators.

Also, I will tell you most professional translators are shit at their job.

I can't wait until computer programs can practically take over translating, it's a thankless sweatshop line of work.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by Dalewyn »

joshdavham wrote: post #9
Rendello wrote: post #6

Japanese is my favourite written language, I love English but I'm definitely jealous of the beautiful glyphs and the vertical writing. From what I've seen, vertical writing is often poorly supported in software though, which is a shame.

Haha can you read Japanese though? It's beautiful for sure and it even feels a little different when reading it as if you're, in a way, sorta sounding about pictures. But man is it a pain in the butt to learn!

As a Japanese-American, both languages are beautiful when used properly and ugly when used horribly.

Re: 炊紙(kashikishi) is a text editor that utilizes GPU to edit text in a 3D space

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

082349872349872 wrote: post #27
asddubs wrote: post #25

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I think I would prefer a slightly worse translator program than one that potentially hallucinates new information onto the page

I stopped using GT for larger texts when (having finally achieved some rudimentary literacy in my target language) I noticed it was rather cavalier about inserting or deleting not , changing the sense of sentences completely. Sure, in translation one always has issues of sarcasm or irony, but I felt the tool was probably hallucinating more than being a useful work instrument. Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

I've been talking to a lot of Chinese people using machine translation recently, and noticed that inserting and removing "not" is very common for all translation tools I've used, from Google Translate to DeepL to ChatGPT. I'm not sure if it's particular to Chinese ←→ English, or if it's a common problem across all languages.

A priori, it seems like a pretty huge issue, because it changes a sentence's meaning to its opposite. Fortunately, it's usually easy to notice. But then again, I obviously wouldn't know about any instances I haven't noticed.

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