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Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

> This barely-disguised contempt for what should likely be their most valuable power-user base suggests

Yikes. I am a long time Mozilla supporter, active user of Firefox since before it was Firefox, and former Mozilla employee, but this comment is pretty crazy.

Firefox is well below 3% market share, and is essentially a niche browser at this point - it sucks when I run into sites and services that aren't supported by Firefox, but I don't assume that it's contempt for me as a Firefox user. I simply assume that I, as a power user, have opted to use an alternate tool that has features that are compelling to me, and I certainly don't expect every business out there to prioritize my use of a niche tool.

I learned a long time ago that while power users can be an effective avenue for building a market for niche products, they also end up being some of the most problematic users, because of the assumptions that power user needs should be placed above the regular users. It's fine to want to be catered to, but it's not really great to assume malice when you aren't - it shows contempt for the prioritization of the limited resources they have available.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

Pivoting from "for all mankind" to "all for myself" would make me deeply uncomfortable, too. The change from one position to the other, not either position in any absolute sense, is the concerning part.

This is also a great point. I ranted at length about this when the OpenAI news broke last week, but to cut it short: it's a little troubling to see the company founded on the ethos "for-profit AI work is incredibly dangerous" transition to a for-profit AI firm openly engaged in an arms race. Not just engaged, inciting...

https://web.archive.org/web/20230714043611/https://openai.co...

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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As much as I dislike OpenAI’s ongoing shenanigans and disdain for their own customers, I tried to sign up for Claude last week. Turns out that Anthropic’s signup flow has been silently broken for months for Firefox users: https://old.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1bq06yz/phone_ver... . You get the SMS verification code, and you can enter it, but you get a barely visible “Invalid verification code” error message foll…

> This barely-disguised contempt for what should likely be their most valuable power-user base suggests Yikes. I am a long time Mozilla supporter, active user of Firefox since before it was Firefox, and former Mozilla employee, but this comment is pretty crazy. Firefox is well below 3% market share, and is essentially a niche browser at this point - it sucks when I run into sites and services that aren't supported by…

Firefox is going to be massively disproportionately more popular among LLM users, the issue has been happening to people for over half a year, the error message is terribly misleading, and from a CS POV, it should be relatively easy to flag and route customers around the known issue.

I’m not salty just because they don’t support the browser; you’re totally right that that’d be an unreasonable take, but it’s not the one I’m trying to make.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

Pivoting from "for all mankind" to "all for myself" would make me deeply uncomfortable, too. The change from one position to the other, not either position in any absolute sense, is the concerning part.

> Pivoting from "for all mankind" to "all for myself"

Isn't the former already a red flag?

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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> Anthropic’s CEO, Dario Amodei, was once the VP of research at OpenAI, and reportedly split with the firm after a disagreement over OpenAI’s roadmap — namely its growing commercial focus. So he's now the CEO of Anthropic, a company selling AI services? Claude is amazing, and we use it's Teams plan here at the office extensively (having switched from ChatGPT since Claude is vastly better at technical material and adc…

As I understand the main disagreement between OpenAI and Anthropic is exactly how much and what is censored.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Can anybody suggest a good open source (GUI or terminal-based) app for chatting with Claude Sonnet for those who have API keys? I use those for a neovim plugin to chat given the context of codebase, but I would also like an ability to have a regular chat like in the web interface?

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Anthropic is a joke of a company. They have all these heavyweight hires, but they make logins so difficult for the user that no chat user in their sane mind would want to use Anthropic. It's as if Anthropic doesn't actually want people using their service.

They routinely keep logging me out, also always making me wait for an email confirmation code just to login every time, and it's sickening.

They also promise API credits but then don't actually give any.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Anthropic is a joke of a company. They have all these heavyweight hires, but they make logins so difficult for the user that no chat user in their sane mind would want to use Anthropic. It's as if Anthropic doesn't actually want people using their service. They routinely keep logging me out, also always making me wait for an email confirmation code just to login every time, and it's sickening. They also promise API c…

The chat on the website is not their main product... They're selling access to their models to enterprises. As sickened as you are by having to log in to the chat, that's not an indication of their success at training and marketing high-quality models (the only real competition to OpenAI at this point).

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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Kingma is most notable for writing one of the most cited papers in AI. Actually one of the most cited scientific papers ever published, right up there with the transformers paper if not higher. "Adam: A Method for Stochastic Optimization" https://arxiv.org/abs/1412.6980

I remain astonished that Adam continues to be the most widely used optimizer in AI 10 years later. So many contenders have failed to replace it.

Re: Anthropic hires OpenAI co-founder Durk Kingma

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post #38

Anthropic is a joke of a company. They have all these heavyweight hires, but they make logins so difficult for the user that no chat user in their sane mind would want to use Anthropic. It's as if Anthropic doesn't actually want people using their service. They routinely keep logging me out, also always making me wait for an email confirmation code just to login every time, and it's sickening. They also promise API c…

The chat on the website is not their main product... They're selling access to their models to enterprises. As sickened as you are by having to log in to the chat, that's not an indication of their success at training and marketing high-quality models (the only real competition to OpenAI at this point).

> The chat on the website is not their main product

Guess what: enterprises are made of people. People like to try things out. If people are not happy with something for their personal use, they most definitely are never going to recommend it to their employer. This is why OpenAI wins. It is in fact one of the factors that sets apart a hyper-successful product from a wannabe.

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