I love this. Beautiful, simple, but just a little subversive.
:chef’s kiss:
Bop Spotter
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Point out what [constitutionally valid] law it’s broken; if it’s audible to the ear from a public location in San Francisco (or anywhere in the US) then you’re allowed to record it (similarly if you can see it from a public vantage point, then you can photograph it).
If you weren’t it would be legally impossible for any two people to leave two voice messages simultaneously while in earshot of each other. You also couldn’t use Spotify in public ever.
You can certainly get in trouble for the uses you put that recording to, but as the OP isn’t selling or rebroadcasting and would have a solid fair use defense for any incidental copyright infringement, I don’t see any colorable claim that anyone this thing can hear has any reasonable expectation of privacy from it.
BTW, it’s making a very good point about actual surveillance equipment that is quite possibly installed all around you.
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#33This is really cool. Imagine a map of this across a city, being able to see what different areas tend to listen to. I imagine you'd find some surprising and not-so-surprising things.
Then you'd get someone taking the trouble to correlate music and times, to capture someone moving across the city on the map. Then you'd get profiling to potentially pick out who in particular moved across the city and the exact time of path of their movement. While this is a nice idea on a local scale, when scaled up it has horrendous privacy implications.
And music fingerprinting is probably incredibly accurate, because it can work similar to linguistic fingerprinting.
There was a site posted to this place a year or so ago, which looked at work frequencies to find alt-accounts.
I don't hide the fact that I use a different account on different computers, so I have a personal account and work accounts and end up changing accounts each time I change jobs.
This site correlated all my accounts, using a very basic fingerprinting technique of looking for words which a user uses uncommonly often.
It found them all with a good degree of confidence.
I haven't seen reference to that site since, I suspect it got taken down.
Musical fingerprinting would be accurate to a similar degree. You wouldn't look for the music someone listens to most, you'd look for uncommon combinations.
A combination a just a few songs that someone listens to unusually more than other people is probably enough for a good enough correlation for fingerprinting.
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#34How do I join the party? Is there a quickstart so you can hear the vibes of Berlin?
[edit: It would be awesome if others could collaborate on this and had a guide on how to do it!]
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#35I spent too much time on TikTok, because I got confused how a "bop" spotter even worked.
Yes, I'm quite upset about the repurposing of "bop" to be offensive, it was a good word and I liked its old meaning. For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'. Redefining existing words is something that really irritates me, particularly when it's used to attack women.
> For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'.
I have never heard this and I'm "Gen Z". I looked at Urban Dictionary and the earliest definition that says slut goes back to 2005, so "Gen Z" definitely didn't come up with it.
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#36[flagged]
NAL but in most jurisdictions anything that happens in public is freely recordable. The illegal part here is likely the attachment of a device to public property without permission from local authorities. However, the same service would likely be legal if a few people were hired to walk around with microphones. Or potentially if the microphones were attached to vehicles. Edit - also might be legal if OP purchased / l…
Fun fact: Nielsen actually does this (hires people to walk around with microphones) for purposes of broadcast TV/radio audience ratings: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_People_Meter
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then you'd get someone taking the trouble to correlate music and times, to capture someone moving across the city on the map. Then you'd get profiling to potentially pick out who in particular moved across the city and the exact time of path of their movement. While this is a nice idea on a local scale, when scaled up it has horrendous privacy implications.
And music fingerprinting is probably incredibly accurate, because it can work similar to linguistic fingerprinting. There was a site posted to this place a year or so ago, which looked at work frequencies to find alt-accounts. I don't hide the fact that I use a different account on different computers, so I have a personal account and work accounts and end up changing accounts each time I change jobs. This site corre…
Leaking 33 bits over time, especially a lifetime, is nearly impossible to avoid.
Although it's more difficult, it's also possible to be too "middle of the road": very few individuals are very close to the population average in all dimensions.
(Heinrich Böll's At the Bridge is a great short story; Böll had worked in a statistics department so he was probably well aware of the weakness in his protagonist's reasoning)
About the best I'd ask for is that custodes should ipsos be as correlatable as we all are: the amphiopticon?
Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ7skMnxly0
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#38can you also make it tell people to turn the noise down
Why did you move to the Mission, a noisy neighborhood, if you don’t like noise?
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#39[flagged]
NAL but in most jurisdictions anything that happens in public is freely recordable. The illegal part here is likely the attachment of a device to public property without permission from local authorities. However, the same service would likely be legal if a few people were hired to walk around with microphones. Or potentially if the microphones were attached to vehicles. Edit - also might be legal if OP purchased / l…
Just because it would be legal for you to record it, doesn’t mean it’s legal for you to hide a recorder there without your presence.
The “use of a public pole” isn’t really the issue.
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#40I spent too much time on TikTok, because I got confused how a "bop" spotter even worked.
Yes, I'm quite upset about the repurposing of "bop" to be offensive, it was a good word and I liked its old meaning. For anyone who doesn't know, 'bop' to gen Z is a derogatory term for a sexually active woman, it basically means 'slut'. Redefining existing words is something that really irritates me, particularly when it's used to attack women.
> really irritates me, particularly when it's used to attack women.
It's black slang and it's decades old.
Rather than being some Woke Simp the truth is you don't like the way lower class black people speak.
Or maybe you don't like TikTokers speaking like lower class black people?
Or you could get over yourself and just explain words?