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NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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Personally, I would love to try this for learning languages.

Some people absorb information far easier when they hear it as part of a conversation. Perhaps it would be possible to use this technique to break down study materials into simple 10-minute chunks that discuss a chapter or a concept at a time.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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I don’t think this is all that impressive, the generated podcast is pretty shallow - lots of ‘whoa meta’ and the word ‘like’ thrown into every sentence. Yes, it will generate a middle-of-the-road waffling podcast, but not one with any real depth.

It’s incredible how high our expectations have become which really is a testament to the rapid development of AI.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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This is impressive from a technical point of view and probably useful from an educational one; I really like the idea that a piece of text can be transformed into any kind of media format easily, depending on your preferences. As recently as a year ago I was using Apple’s text to speech tool to listen to Wikipedia articles while biking, and needless to say, they weren’t very exciting to listen to. But I don’t think i…

It would be ideal if they made the SoundStorm model available via API.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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OK, this is pretty amazing, but is there a "Valley Girl" setting in NotebookLM somewhere? In the sample given in this article, both of the "podcasters" had to add a "like", like every 5 seconds. I couldn't take it: > this tech is just like leaps and bounds of where it was yesterday like we're watching it go from just spitting out words to like...

That’s one of the disfluencies the article mentions.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

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NotebookLM's is incredibly good at generating the affect and structure of a quality podcast. This is in-line with all art, music, and video created by LMM at the moment. They are imitating a structure and affect, the quality of the content is largely irrelevant. I think the interesting thing is that most people don't really care, and AI is not to blame for that. Most books published today have the affect of a book, b…

But why would I buy those books or listen to those podcasts that are synthetic affectations of no substance?

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

#37

This is impressive from a technical point of view and probably useful from an educational one; I really like the idea that a piece of text can be transformed into any kind of media format easily, depending on your preferences. As recently as a year ago I was using Apple’s text to speech tool to listen to Wikipedia articles while biking, and needless to say, they weren’t very exciting to listen to. But I don’t think i…

> But I don’t think it’s much of a threat to actual podcasts, which tend to be successful because of the personalities of the hosts and guests, and not because of the information they contain.

I wonder if any “blended” podcasts will pop up, where a human host uses a tool like this for an artificial cohost.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

#39

Personally, I would love to try this for learning languages. Some people absorb information far easier when they hear it as part of a conversation. Perhaps it would be possible to use this technique to break down study materials into simple 10-minute chunks that discuss a chapter or a concept at a time.

Languages are hard. Everybody wants to learn them via an app or 10 minutes a day but realistically it's 3-4 hours a day for a year.

Re: NotebookLM's automatically generated podcasts are surprisingly effective

#40

NotebookLM's is incredibly good at generating the affect and structure of a quality podcast. This is in-line with all art, music, and video created by LMM at the moment. They are imitating a structure and affect, the quality of the content is largely irrelevant. I think the interesting thing is that most people don't really care, and AI is not to blame for that. Most books published today have the affect of a book, b…

But why would I buy those books or listen to those podcasts that are synthetic affectations of no substance?

I’ve probably bought ten books in the last five years that I’ve never read.

I’ve heard at least one ad from dozens (probably a hundred) podcast episodes that I didn’t finish.

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