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If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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The simple reality (IMHO of course) is that people have always used Windows because it was "what everyone uses" and "what the office uses" and "what my software runs on". If you see it from this perspective, the people who wanted something different have already left to some flavor of UNIX or Mac, so those remaining are looking after their cognitive investment in having learned XP. When you think about it, its amazin…

Windows has been built to be easily and centrally managed for sys-admins since the days of NT. Linux on the other side has been built modularly and to be absolutely hackable to anyone with a root/admin-account.

There is no question what I would prefer to manage. You underestimate the power of Active Directory and Group policies.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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I wonder why Windows 7 is creating so much buzz already, when it could still be years away.

Let's just wait and see what Microsoft actually delivers, and hope that the whole world will have moved on to Linux and OS X before that.

Don't forget that Microsoft has a proven track record of being rotten to the core.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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i seem to recall there being a setting in windows xp to make your windows and start menu and other things have a "classic" look. isn't there something similar in windows 7 that offers this? it sounds like such a feature would have eliminated a lot of the problems this guy's colleague was complaining about. maybe just ask the user at first boot whether they want the new windows 7 look or an old classic view, setting d…

Windows 7 does, amazingly, have the same classic mode. When you switch to it, everything looks exactly like Windows 98.

There are some differences between the 98 and 2000 look, but it might just be the default color palette. I would imagine it looks like 2000.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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I wonder why Windows 7 is creating so much buzz already, when it could still be years away. Let's just wait and see what Microsoft actually delivers, and hope that the whole world will have moved on to Linux and OS X before that. Don't forget that Microsoft has a proven track record of being rotten to the core.

It's not really years away. It's basically a re-branding of Vista with some tweaks thrown in. Microsoft has even stated they are really pushing to get it out the door since so many people have developed a strange aversion to the word "Vista".

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of this article is that one of the problems with Vista and now Windows 7 is that people were so used to the XP way of doing things, even if the XP way was stupid or unintuitive. If you take some time to learn the new UI it's a lot better. Same with Office 2007, the old Office menu system was horrible unless you knew exactly where everything was, whereas with the Ribbon/Fluent UI most of the time it adapts f…

This is what I don't get. Why should I have to retrain my fingers to justify Microsoft's UI designers' salaries? I don't mind for myself, but I dread having to teach my parents every time, especially when I don't use the operating system myself.

Honestly, for me it comes down to two simple facts.

1) I would like an OS would a better UI. 2) I don't care if it bugs you/others that they need to relearn some tasks if the UI is changed.

Obviously I don't think that change for nothing but the sake of change is a good idea, but in the case of Vista I prefer it over XP.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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post #15

The simple reality (IMHO of course) is that people have always used Windows because it was "what everyone uses" and "what the office uses" and "what my software runs on". If you see it from this perspective, the people who wanted something different have already left to some flavor of UNIX or Mac, so those remaining are looking after their cognitive investment in having learned XP. When you think about it, its amazin…

I am somewhat of an MS fanboy, I guess, because the work they put into their operating system allows me to game. Which is a significant hobby of mine. Makes it hard for me to develop too much of a bias against them, that is, unless someone comes up with a viable alternative.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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The final and insuperable issue that drove me from Windows Vista to Linux a year-and-a-half ago was Windows Explorer doing away with the incredibly-useful "up" button in favor of breadcrumbs. Yes, I understand how breadcrumbs works and I am aware of how to use it. However, what I wish to click on is always changing positions, its length varies, and is sometimes not even there at all. Without an "up" button, I will ne…

The keyboard shortcut Alt-up moves you up the folder hierarchy on Vista. When I discovered that, I no longer cared that the up arrow button is gone in Vista. Very handy.

Re: If you love Windows XP, you’ll hate Windows 7

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post #15

The simple reality (IMHO of course) is that people have always used Windows because it was "what everyone uses" and "what the office uses" and "what my software runs on". If you see it from this perspective, the people who wanted something different have already left to some flavor of UNIX or Mac, so those remaining are looking after their cognitive investment in having learned XP. When you think about it, its amazin…

Personally I think Linux is a viable desktop OS for many people. It has been my desktop for about seven years. I have moved two very non-geek users to it in the last two years and they are both quite happy too. MS defenders vary. Some have invested time learning MS technologies. Others worship wealth and success. Others have simply had bad luck with other OSes and have lost interest in trying again.

I've had a lot of luck moving "non-geek" users to Linux. For those that cite these (once valid) points:

* Driver support

* Running windows applications (and here I'm including their equivalent, or under Wine/Crossover)

* Ease of use/installation

I'd be interested to hear what distro they tried and when they tried it. My last few installs of Debian/Ubuntu, even on non-x86 hardware has been a breeze and certainly much quicker than installing a fresh copy of XP.

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