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Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by brodouevencode »

taylodl wrote: post #9
brodouevencode wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an anecdote: where I live the closest gym is 19 miles away. The closest park that has walking trails is a little over 12 miles away. Walking/running/cycling on the county roads is not wise. There is a seasonal farmer's market in the closest city to us (~15 miles away), but it's only open one day a week for 4 hours. The closest "healthy" grocery store (like Sprouts, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's) is 32.9 miles away…

It's almost like the poor lifestyle choice they made was living in a rural area and not keeping a garden. My perspective may be skewed by my relatives who live in rural Appalachia. They keep gardens, have physical jobs, and hunt for meat. They live a few miles outside of a small town whose hospital just closed - the only one in the county. They do have a proper emergency care center that's designed to be able to get…

> It's almost like the poor lifestyle choice they made was living in a rural area

> I have no idea why people choose to live like that.

Many, if not most, times it's not a choice. Limited skills, limited education, limited drive, and limited exposure leads you to stick around where you are because you don't know any better.

> and not keeping a garden

I'll give you this. It was a thing, a big thing, when I was younger. It makes me think people have honestly gotten lazier - there seems to be no drive or desire to do so.

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by gradschoolfail »

aebtebeten wrote: post #29
gradschoolfail wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TIL Pietism, the common backdrop of both Veblen, Hesse, and a vast swath of rural america. See also Merton Thesis , Mertonian Norms (dont know if that ever inspired sci-fi?) 「Becker 1992」 Question: are the Mertonian norms fundamentally inhospitable to meritocracy, so that they may yet serve as a viable target for the transmogrification of socalled antiintellualism? > the scientific ethos does not have [its] theoretic…

I'd originally pattern matched on a very different Merton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Storey_Mountain What's the clash with meritocracy? Disinterest? Interesting to see Mennos classified here as "radical pietists" when I normally read of them as being "fancy anabaptists", where fancy is the opposite of radical in that it's a pejorative for an overly conformational* relation with the world. FWIW, I've run…

Unscheduled saturation of b/w this week so i shant be able to get to deeper [QEDITS1|2:]for a while.

Yes. And communism — esp. the secrecy aspect, in relation to YC/SIGINT.. “waste is inevitable but rivalry is optional” {waste->pleasure,rivalry->reward} in same snowclone, so… universalism, too. And organized skepticism (like those paradoxical games where victory is uncorrelated with effort,motivation,or intent; Simplicitas’ dual, sprezzatura misses the point)

Wont be surprised if Nikolai Feodorovich turns out to have been a crypto-raskolnik all along

>Fyodorov opposed the idea of property of books and ideas and never published anything during his lifetime.

Right. Pietists would not be classified as weird in the Rao taxonomy, so radical pietists sounds just like hypernormal. So who indeed are the proweird antimeritocrats? Practical (entheogenic,texting) sufi-taoists? Such that friendly neighborhood incomprehensibility is very much an organization feature?

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by aebtebeten »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #32
aebtebeten wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd originally pattern matched on a very different Merton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Storey_Mountain What's the clash with meritocracy? Disinterest? Interesting to see Mennos classified here as "radical pietists" when I normally read of them as being "fancy anabaptists", where fancy is the opposite of radical in that it's a pejorative for an overly conformational* relation with the world. FWIW, I've run…

Unscheduled saturation of b/w this week so i shant be able to get to deeper [QEDITS1|2:]for a while. Yes. And communism — esp. the secrecy aspect, in relation to YC/SIGINT.. “ waste is inevitable but rivalry is optional ” {waste->pleasure,rivalry->reward} in same snowclone, so… universalism, too. And organized skepticism (like those paradoxical games where victory is uncorrelated with effort,motivation,or intent; Sim…

Friendly neighborhood incomprehensibility sounds like something up Nasruddin's alley:

Having been engaged by a nearby village to present his philosophy over a three-day series of lectures, Nasruddin started on the first day:

— O Villagers, do you know what I'm about to tell you?

— No, Mullah, we do not!

— Well, I'm certainly not going to waste my time lecturing the ignorant!

and he promptly left on his donkey.

On the second day:

— O Villagers, do you know what I'm about to tell you?

— Yes, Mullah, we do!

— Well, I'm certainly not going to waste my time belabouring the obvious!

and he promptly left on his donkey.

On the third day, the villagers (having stayed up late in conference the night before crafting their strategy) were more excited than ever to hear Nasruddin speak:

— O Villagers, do you know what I'm about to tell you?

— Some of us, Mullah, know, and some do not!

— Excellent! Let those who know instruct those who do not.

and he promptly left on his donkey.

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

nradov wrote: post #13
brodouevencode wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an anecdote: where I live the closest gym is 19 miles away. The closest park that has walking trails is a little over 12 miles away. Walking/running/cycling on the county roads is not wise. There is a seasonal farmer's market in the closest city to us (~15 miles away), but it's only open one day a week for 4 hours. The closest "healthy" grocery store (like Sprouts, Whole Foods, Trader Joe's) is 32.9 miles away…

This may vary by the particular store, but Walmart doesn't seem to be any worse than other grocery stores in terms of selling unhealthy food. There's little or no evidence that "organic" food is actually healthier.

And even if organic food is healthier, it's definitely better to eat non-organic vegetables over no vegetables.

I eat some meals that are healthy, and some that aren't. None of them are organic.

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by gradschoolfail »

aebtebeten wrote: post #33
gradschoolfail wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unscheduled saturation of b/w this week so i shant be able to get to deeper [QEDITS1|2:]for a while. Yes. And communism — esp. the secrecy aspect, in relation to YC/SIGINT.. “ waste is inevitable but rivalry is optional ” {waste->pleasure,rivalry->reward} in same snowclone, so… universalism, too. And organized skepticism (like those paradoxical games where victory is uncorrelated with effort,motivation,or intent; Sim…

Friendly neighborhood incomprehensibility sounds like something up Nasruddin's alley: Having been engaged by a nearby village to present his philosophy over a three-day series of lectures, Nasruddin started on the first day: — O Villagers, do you know what I'm about to tell you? — No, Mullah, we do not! — Well, I'm certainly not going to waste my time lecturing the ignorant! and he promptly left on his donkey. On the…

L:

https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2018/12/Hermann-hess...

https://archive.is/yrKT9

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #35
aebtebeten wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Friendly neighborhood incomprehensibility sounds like something up Nasruddin's alley: Having been engaged by a nearby village to present his philosophy over a three-day series of lectures, Nasruddin started on the first day: — O Villagers, do you know what I'm about to tell you? — No, Mullah, we do not! — Well, I'm certainly not going to waste my time lecturing the ignorant! and he promptly left on his donkey. On the…

L: https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2018/12/Hermann-hess... https://archive.is/yrKT9

For all that JNG talks smack about HKH, it seems like he's revealed a preference for stringing together glass beads in various magazines instead of forming Turn- und Sportabteilungen?

EDIT: "I must grow my granfalloon" says the one who, looking at their pocketwatch, dangles total comp, but the great one attracts (as t->oo) a karass with but a bare hook?

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by gradschoolfail »

082349872349872 wrote: post #36
gradschoolfail wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

L: https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2018/12/Hermann-hess... https://archive.is/yrKT9

For all that JNG talks smack about HKH, it seems like he's revealed a preference for stringing together glass beads in various magazines instead of forming Turn- und Sportabteilungen? EDIT: "I must grow my granfalloon" says the one who, looking at their pocketwatch, dangles total comp, but the great one attracts (as t->oo) a karass with but a bare hook?

REDIT: Granfalloon -> “Nasrallah” Karass -> “Nasruddin” ?

https://archive.org/download/Demian_201305/Demian_text.pdf

“How TM met HKH” backstory summarized for the proles here by yet another Nasr- https://archive.is/3JwSV

So the man called HKH a [Sith?] princebishop there? (No need to find the german edition as TM targeted an american audience)

“Ctrl-f River” will also direct you to the essential bits ;)

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by gradschoolfail »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #37
082349872349872 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For all that JNG talks smack about HKH, it seems like he's revealed a preference for stringing together glass beads in various magazines instead of forming Turn- und Sportabteilungen? EDIT: "I must grow my granfalloon" says the one who, looking at their pocketwatch, dangles total comp, but the great one attracts (as t->oo) a karass with but a bare hook?

REDIT: Granfalloon -> “Nasrallah” Karass -> “Nasruddin” ? https://archive.org/download/Demian_201305/Demian_text.pdf “How TM met HKH” backstory summarized for the proles here by yet another Nasr- https://archive.is/3JwSV So the man called HKH a [Sith?] princebishop there? (No need to find the german edition as TM targeted an american audience) “Ctrl-f River” will also direct you to the essential bits ;)

https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/EB/H/Hesse%20-%2...

Re: Rural Americans are dying younger, living less healthy lives, report reveals

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Post by aebtebeten »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #38
gradschoolfail wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

REDIT: Granfalloon -> “Nasrallah” Karass -> “Nasruddin” ? https://archive.org/download/Demian_201305/Demian_text.pdf “How TM met HKH” backstory summarized for the proles here by yet another Nasr- https://archive.is/3JwSV So the man called HKH a [Sith?] princebishop there? (No need to find the german edition as TM targeted an american audience) “Ctrl-f River” will also direct you to the essential bits ;)

https://s3.us-west-1.wasabisys.com/luminist/EB/H/Hesse%20-%2...

Nasser is said to have been inspired by Kutuzov during the 6-day war: having first lured the israelis across the Sinai and deep into egypt, the only thing he subsequently needed to do was wait for General Winter to arrive...

And the MCP said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy ⊓-er? And he said, I know not: Am I my meter's keeper? http://cap-lore.com/CapTheory/upenn/Gnosis/Gnosis.html

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