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Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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Post by healsdata »

amanzi wrote: post #26

He's lost his mind! Customising the admin dashboard has been something WordPress multisite hosts have been doing for 15+ years! There are tons of plugins on WordPress.org that provide this specific feature. And if you don't want a plugin, you can develop it yourself using supported WordPress-provided dashboard hooks: https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/hooks/wp_dashboard... Same with post revisions - you can do…

> Where is the contract that WP Engine signed, that says they must display posts from their competitors calling them a cancer in their customer's websites?

There isn't one. Just like there isn't one that says they can download plugins et al from their competitors' website.

This is open source. They're free to fork WordPress, set up a competing app store, etc.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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Post by sureIy »

LegionMammal978 wrote: post #20
slouch wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have evidence there is anyone else in the Foundation with any power. WordPress.org is owned personally by Matt.

Yeah, the practical situation there would seem pretty clear. I'm just wondering what theory Mullenweg is trying to express here in support of this action.

He’s just trying to cause as much damage to WP Engine as possible and I guarantee that he will forced to pay for this tomfoolery by a judge.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

#33

Post by sureIy »

CharlesW wrote: post #28
Kye wrote: post #17

WordPress supports ActivityPub now, so this is also a spat between two massive AP platforms with apocalyptic potential. Someone needs to get follower migration from WordPress to anything else on the AP fediverse done quick. It's inter-instance conflict at incredible scale.

Whatever happens, WordPress isn't going anywhere. At worst, someone will fork and rebrand it, just like Mike and Matt forked and rebranded b2/cafelog to create WordPress. (There are already successful forks like ClassicPress.)

> ClassicPress

Never heard of it before, but it constantly surprises me how much effort people are willing to put in just to keep “the old version” of something.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

#34

Post by elaus »

stefanos82 wrote: post #8
chuckadams wrote: post #6

This is not what ceasing and desisting looks like. If Automattic doesn’t fire MM within a week then we know who wears the pants there. A fork backed by real money is starting to look more likely.

The fork has a name; it's called ClassicPress!

> A fork of WordPress without the block editor (Gutenberg)

That seems to be a major technical (and UX) difference that has nothing to do with the leadership of Wordpress.org

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

#35

Post by amanzi »

healsdata wrote: post #31
amanzi wrote: post #26

He's lost his mind! Customising the admin dashboard has been something WordPress multisite hosts have been doing for 15+ years! There are tons of plugins on WordPress.org that provide this specific feature. And if you don't want a plugin, you can develop it yourself using supported WordPress-provided dashboard hooks: https://developer.wordpress.org/reference/hooks/wp_dashboard... Same with post revisions - you can do…

> Where is the contract that WP Engine signed, that says they must display posts from their competitors calling them a cancer in their customer's websites? There isn't one. Just like there isn't one that says they can download plugins et al from their competitors' website. This is open source. They're free to fork WordPress, set up a competing app store, etc.

WordPress.org is not a competitor to WP Engine.

Despite Matt claiming that WP Engine is a "cancer", WP Engine have supported WordPress for a long time, both through financial contributions and code contributions - even sponsoring the same WordCampUS conference where Matt launched his attack.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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Post by stogot »

sureIy wrote: post #30
cyral wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, but his argument that WP Engine is confusing customers is strange when he runs the most confusing part about WordPress (.com vs .org). This tells me it is not really about reducing confusion, but him wanting to get paid because WP Engine is not contributing. Keep in mind Automattic was an early investor in WP Engine and they, along with countless other hosting and plugin businesses, have been using the WordP…

> Using "WP" was okay, to now calling out "WP Engine" specifically as being confusing That’s the most childish thing out of this whole debacle. It is extremely clear that you cannot just change your terms 10 years after a company has been created in order to exclude it. Any judge would throw that case out of the window in 10 seconds.

You’re conflating two posts. He didn’t change any terms until they took legal action against them. If my neighbor came over to my house everyday and made a sand which, then sued me… then I’d lock the front door

Though I don’t know how much merit his original post had.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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Post by sureIy »

stogot wrote: post #37
sureIy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Using "WP" was okay, to now calling out "WP Engine" specifically as being confusing That’s the most childish thing out of this whole debacle. It is extremely clear that you cannot just change your terms 10 years after a company has been created in order to exclude it. Any judge would throw that case out of the window in 10 seconds.

You’re conflating two posts. He didn’t change any terms until they took legal action against them. If my neighbor came over to my house everyday and made a sand which, then sued me… then I’d lock the front door Though I don’t know how much merit his original post had.

No this is more like city hall saying “you can’t build here” 10 years after watching you build. Too late, the house was built and you implicitly gave permission for it.

Re: WP Engine is banned from WordPress.org

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Post by nailer »

bubblesnort wrote: post #39

Someone please fork WordPress to e.g. WebPublish and sed -i 's/WordPress/WebPublish/' the whole thing and let both of these companies duke it out while we can continue in peace. Much good could come from this.

Won’t solve problems. Web Publish still needs to run all the infrastructure that Wordpress dot org does.
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