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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by amorfusblob »

jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Is anyone at Google even aware how much this hurts their brand? I received an email from Google today with the subject line "Meet the new Google TV Streamer (4K)" The sender was Google Chromecast. Apparently it's some sort of streaming hardware they are selling for £99. I won't even consider buying one. How long until it's an obsolete brick? And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own…

I agree, and also know my own personal bias against this particular company and whatever extent I might go to boycott or avoid its products are ultimately inconsequential to their bottom line.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by dpkirchner »

sionisrecur wrote: post #17
jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Is anyone at Google even aware how much this hurts their brand? I received an email from Google today with the subject line "Meet the new Google TV Streamer (4K)" The sender was Google Chromecast. Apparently it's some sort of streaming hardware they are selling for £99. I won't even consider buying one. How long until it's an obsolete brick? And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own…

The amount of people using the feature was probably a rounding error for them. This is probably true for all the services they kill.

Removing the link to view cached content will do that.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

jsheard wrote: post #6
jjbinx007 wrote: post #2

I guess that's another one to add to the list: https://killedbygoogle.com/

It bugs me how that site counts things that were just shuffled around, rebranded or obsolete as "killed". Google genuinely kills enough stuff that there's really no need to pad out the list by counting the Google Drive desktop client that still exists and was just renamed, or the standalone Street View app which was just a worse version of the Google Maps app, or Google Toolbar which was obsoleted by browsers integra…

Most of those non-killed explanations were still Google’s decision. As a consumer, I do not care what is happening behind the scenes. Only that yesterday I was using Google-Foo and today it is Google-Baz.

It gets complicated if you want to rule lawyer if the alternative implementation counts as a seamless alternative. Do technically any of the dozen plus chat apps count as killed? A similar functionality thing still exists in that space. Although they all seemed to cover a slightly different feature set.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by Alupis »

jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Is anyone at Google even aware how much this hurts their brand? I received an email from Google today with the subject line "Meet the new Google TV Streamer (4K)" The sender was Google Chromecast. Apparently it's some sort of streaming hardware they are selling for £99. I won't even consider buying one. How long until it's an obsolete brick? And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own…

I'm aware of Google's history of shutting down services... but...

> And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own software on it? Probably zero.

Will you have no trouble buying a Roku or Amazon Fire Stick though?

Those are also paper weights once the company decides to stop supporting them - and I'm not aware of any consumer electronics that allows you to install your own software on it.

Seems like a strange swipe at Google, even though your complaints apply to all of these devices regardless of brand.

For what it's worth - Google's latest phones, Pixel 9, boast 7 years of updates and support.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by Alupis »

heyoni wrote: post #29
pbreit wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is it was a pain keeping up with the takedown requests.

Treat it like you do customer support and automate it. Or is that not allowed?

Do you actually want automated take-downs? Isn't that what people already complain the most about on YouTube?

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by nixosbestos »

readyplayernull wrote: post #12

Nowadays my browser's home page is one of the LLMs. It's easier to get knowledge with an AI than the dead Internet to which Google contributed.

Thinking LLMs are anyone's salvation in the fact of Dead Internet Theory has to most the most incomprehensible thing I've read on this site. Maybe ever.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by wwweston »

jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Is anyone at Google even aware how much this hurts their brand? I received an email from Google today with the subject line "Meet the new Google TV Streamer (4K)" The sender was Google Chromecast. Apparently it's some sort of streaming hardware they are selling for £99. I won't even consider buying one. How long until it's an obsolete brick? And when it's a brick, what are the chances I can wipe it and install my own…

The real question is why they'd have to be aware.

It's entirely possible that those of us who pay attention to this are a vanishing minority compared to the cultural momentum of Google as the default search provider and a dominant provider of email/office SaaS.

But even if dissatisfaction is growing, the institional momentum is just so huge that it's very likely Google simply doesn't have the capacity to sense any brand damage even if it were actually occurring at any significant scale. You'd need to have people whose role included a duty to pay attention to this with systems for measuring it reporting to people who take them seriously. Google's never needed those people. It came into the world with a halo of value, primarily knowing the challenges of demand and growth rather than attrition. Much of its management and professional staff are probably largely drawn from the ranks of those who have known more success than challenge, and they are rewarded in such a way that they not only have little incentive to behave differently they may actually have an atrophied sense of the possibility that different might be important, even if they were aware of cultural momentum shifts and were willing/able to persuade others at Google to change how things are done in an enormously successful place.

Like Bill Gates said, success is a terrible teacher. Why would enough people at Google think Google has crucial lessons to learn?

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by amorfusblob »

selectodude wrote: post #24
ThinkBeat wrote: post #19

I would presume Google still has all this data. They just will not let anyone else use it. Could this be an advantage that Google can use to train their models on but others won't have access? Google wants it to be more difficult to notice rewrites? Journalists to often have found valuable information with it?

I feel like the internet archive has taken a lot of that sort of use off of Google. Unrelated: Google should probably think about a sizable donation to the Internet archive.

Some kind of collaboration appears to be happening between the two https://blog.archive.org/2024/09/11/new-feature-alert-access...
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