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Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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Every time I have tried to meditate I just feel ridiculous and stop. But reading this description of its effects, I really don't understand the benefit.

The benefit is cognitive defusion. That means you gain the ability to observe your thoughts instead of identifying yourself with them.

This gives you more control (because you also learn to accept whatever comes up) and as a result more happiness.

Check this video with a step by step guide how to meditate I did. It's pretty easy and everyone with a bit of patience can benefit from doing it.

http://jayuhdinger.com/chapters/chapter-2-practical-lesson-m...

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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Meditation won't make you happy. It will help you deal with stressful situations so you can make better decisions. And that as a result makes you happier.

Hate to be that guy - but is there good scientific evidence for your claims?

There seems to be quite a lot of research on this topic, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation

This article: "Mindfulness-based stress reduction and health benefits. A meta-analysis" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15256293 seems to be relevant to your question.

Of course the mere existence of articles does not prove anything. Caution advised :)

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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No one has attained Enlightenment through Zen nor meditation in human history. Buddha himself never claimed he was enlightened through meditation. That's a fabrication of Buddhist monks whose level of consciousness is quite a bit lower than that of Gautama. Nowadays, the misunderstanding has been passed down for thousands of years, so what I'm saying now seems unacceptable in modern society. If you accept that medita…

> No one has attained Enlightenment through Zen nor meditation Maybe because no one has attained "Enlightment", whatever that means. Go say the rosary.

> whatever that means

More profound than you realize. When you start to understand that, then you'll be closer.

It's really not that complicated or mystical.

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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I'm not clear how just internalizing stuff via meditation can possibly help. To understand and process experiences, you must be able to tell a coherent story about it to other people, ideally in writing. This is another reason I'm so gung-ho about blogging. And there's science behind it too: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/07/nobodys-going-to-he...

Problem is that you might not be aware that your story has spun out of control and is heading down the wrong side of the road.

Meditation is designed to help you see if that is the case...and the fact that stories are just stories and not reality.

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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I like the article, but I think the practice here is lacking something. I realize that there are many meditation practices, but the writer here mentions Buddhism, and so I'm assuming insight, or vipassana, meditation.

The practice of vipassana is not to focus everything on the sensations that you have, but only to note that they are there, and move on. I sort of say "that's interesting", when I notice a sensation, and then move on in my body scanning or noting--whichever form I happen to be doing.

By concentrating on those emotions, pains, and discomfort, you are giving them more attention than they deserve, and doing yourself a disservice. You are doing the same thing that screws us up in our daily life--hanging on to the countless emotional experiences we have all the time. The writer of this article could use the guidance of an experienced practitioner to help avoid and get out of potholes like this.

Another thing I'd like to mention is the emotional rollercoaster that this person is experiencing. One should look deeper than just the surface emotions that arise, and look to the cause in your body, mind, or whatever is coming at you from the "outside" experience of life. Just as with the discomforts of sitting in meditation, and emotions, you should consider the events in your life in the same manner, since you'll eventually realize that they have little intrinsic meaning, but have an effect on your thoughts and emotions just the same if you allow it.

Accept that the thing happened, and then move on or act as needed, without letting emotion and overthinking clog it up.

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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Your Zen is showing :) I really enjoy posts like this which take a subject which is usually discussed from a "mystical" or "spiritual" perspective, and instead attempt to approach it from a physiological perspective. This pleases the knee-jerk part of my brain which often screams "skip the mumbo-jumbo and show me the data!" (and I'm slowly working to tame that part of my brain, because I recognize that an "empirical…

No one has attained Enlightenment through Zen nor meditation in human history. Buddha himself never claimed he was enlightened through meditation. That's a fabrication of Buddhist monks whose level of consciousness is quite a bit lower than that of Gautama. Nowadays, the misunderstanding has been passed down for thousands of years, so what I'm saying now seems unacceptable in modern society. If you accept that medita…

Does anyone know the simple principle? Is it the golden rule?

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one has attained Enlightenment through Zen nor meditation in human history. Buddha himself never claimed he was enlightened through meditation. That's a fabrication of Buddhist monks whose level of consciousness is quite a bit lower than that of Gautama. Nowadays, the misunderstanding has been passed down for thousands of years, so what I'm saying now seems unacceptable in modern society. If you accept that medita…

Does anyone know the simple principle? Is it the golden rule?

Yes, I have some understanding about it so I can explain a little, but it's necessary to learn from an Enlightened being directly to get perfect understanding. The good news is that it is indeed simple, but it's not easy for everyone to accept, no matter their age or educational career.

The principle means that something is determined - like the formula in arithmetic whereby 1 + 1 = 2; as long as the question (and definitions of factors) remains the same then the result will always be exactly the same.

I can state that the fixed principle of the world is that things make results repeatedly through what is inside themselves.

We can find that everything that exists in the world does so through actions, and the structure which we can verify is produced through the process of activities is that of an object which moves through three states (dimensions), changing itself depending on the specific things (causes) in the object.

A clear and simple example is that of fruiting trees. An apple tree only knows how to make apples because that's what's encoded inside itself. Through the process of its life, if it can produce a fruit with seeds, thereby keeping its own origin, it can be reborn again if it's got the right environment.

The golden rule is not so helpful because the problems to necessitate the rule are not present in the rule itself (like commandments). People who don't already have virtue can't awaken their conscience through the golden rule (to get the result - morality) because the very source of the solutions (the problems) are missing. Instead, when people learn and correctly understand the principle they don't need to be told to do good and not to do bad, they naturally start to recognize from what causes good and bad results happen to themselves, so they don't want to do anything that would harm themselves after they confirm.

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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> So a truly enlightened being can point out things in reality exactly as they are and can tell the law of how the world works. That's one of the points of meditation, though, is it not? To "perceive things as they actually are in reality"?

It should be, but there's no concrete teaching of how things in the reality are and how the world works, in current Buddhist scripture, much less any kind of meditation. The meditation that Buddha taught is vastly different than the modern ones. He let his disciples sit when they had nothing to do. What he guided them to practice is not to do with breath, nor concentration, nor compassion. But much more concretely, h…

Thanks for the reply...

> Reality can be defined as the set of results which are determined to appear from the problems that things in the world have. Because these results are determined in a fixed principle, someone who knows Buddha's teaching can easily recognize an discuss any field of study at length without difficulty, even if they've never studied it before, because they can realize how it works and thus recognize the problems (matters) involved in the field through the person they're talking to.

I don't agree with this. My perception of reality is: examining without adornment, recognizing anatta and anicca. That is, to look at all things without coloration from judgement and to recognize them both in their selves and not-selves(in other words, the simultaneous existence and non-existence of a phenomenon, related to its dependent origination from the surroundings).

I don't think it has anything to do with an egotistical human view of "reality" -- such as being able to understand any subject without having been exposed to it. Of course you can't understand anything without having been exposed to it... you are still a human, you still have a brain, you still have memories and collected knowledge.

Reality isn't, to me, about words or concepts, but instead it concerns the inherent nature of phenomena.

Re: Why Meditation Doesn't Directly Increase Happiness

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate to be that guy - but is there good scientific evidence for your claims?

There seems to be quite a lot of research on this topic, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_on_meditation This article: "Mindfulness-based stress reduction and health benefits. A meta-analysis" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15256293 seems to be relevant to your question. Of course the mere existence of articles does not prove anything. Caution advised :)

MBSR is becoming increasingly common in cognitive behavioral therapy as well -- it's interesting (to me) to see how much intersection there is between meditative practice and what cognitive behavioral therapy is discovering. Different paths to the same conclusions.
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