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iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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Remake the form factor of the 4S and we’ll talk. That’s the last phone that was comfortable to hold.

Apple listened. They made the 12 Mini and it sold poorly. But persevered and released the 13 Mini. Again, it sold poorly, so they gave up. Don’t blame Apple here, vast majority want gigantic phones.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#32

Why would I upgrade though — my $2K 13 Pro is still state of the art, and tech jobs are collapsing. Who knows whether I’ll need $2K in 3 months time?

Damn, are you me? My thoughts exactly. My 13PM is plenty good. And with all the layoffs that keep happening, imma save that money.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 13 Mini was also a nice size. Impossible to find nowadays. Apparently 95% of users want big phones.

I guess we're part of the 5% ?

5% checking in

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

#34

I wish that this was seen as a good thing, not a bad thing. Everyone who wants an iPhone already has one, Apple makes good products that last, and new phones these days are incremental updates rather than revolutionary new products, so there’s not a large incentive to upgrade.

I agree! People also criticize Apple harshly for not massively redesigning the iPhone every year. That's a positive in my view.

Then they shouldn't release one every year.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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This article is bunk and misinformation . Employees almost always get a single personal discount on launch day. I’ve managed to score many a launch day product from friends there. What they don’t get on launch day is their lower tier discount for friends which (unless my friends are uncharacteristically holding out) they don’t have yet either.

Interestingly Reddit saw through the click bait, but HN didn't.

1. The analysts quote is false: EPP purchases have been available for launch day for several years. (And he should know that, but analysts are part of the principal/agent problem.)

2. Analyst's sales figures are based on hot air. Apple don't publish them and, while this same claim is falsely made every year, the main data gathering metric for tracking sales in the past (the nebulous "emails receipts") has been knocked out.

3. The comments about China are not just false, but long out of date. iPhone demand in China has already rebounded from an industry-wide 2 month slump in February and March.

4. Finally: a cursory review of shipping times across a range of Apple's own websites shows the same level of demand as usual: as the largest iPhone markets the USA and China continue to have the lion's share of stock, while most others have already slipped into 2-3 week delivery windows for October: UK, DE, FR, AE, AU, NZ sampled.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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This article is bunk and misinformation . Employees almost always get a single personal discount on launch day. I’ve managed to score many a launch day product from friends there. What they don’t get on launch day is their lower tier discount for friends which (unless my friends are uncharacteristically holding out) they don’t have yet either.

Interestingly Reddit saw through the click bait, but HN didn't. 1. The analysts quote is false: EPP purchases have been available for launch day for several years. (And he should know that, but analysts are part of the principal/agent problem.) 2. Analyst's sales figures are based on hot air. Apple don't publish them and, while this same claim is falsely made every year, the main data gathering metric for tracking sa…

Anecdata: I’m upgrading to a 16 this year and was ready for preorder at 1pm on the 13th, but due to a transient banking issue my credit card was repeatedly declined for about 20 mins. When I finally got an order in, the shipping date was a few weeks later. You can’t take any exact measurements from this but I’d say they’re selling plenty of them still.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree! People also criticize Apple harshly for not massively redesigning the iPhone every year. That's a positive in my view.

Then they shouldn't release one every year.

Why not? They can release a slightly improved version every year. I know that some people feel obliged to stay on the "latest version" and buy a new iphone every year, but it's their decision.

Re: iPhone 16 demand is so weak that employees can already buy it on discount

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I agree! People also criticize Apple harshly for not massively redesigning the iPhone every year. That's a positive in my view.

Then they shouldn't release one every year.

Every year we get some level of improvement to the phone. Year-to-year it might be relatively minor but it’s /always/ an improvement (less power usage, more cpu power, more GPU power, more ml power, etc). These, sometimes, small improvements add up so that if you upgrade every 2-4 years they can cumulatively add up to a big improvement.

People complain about Apple comparing the new iPhone (or MBP) to a 2-3 year ago model saying it’s just so they can say it’s 50%/100%/etc faster but for the vast majority of people that /is/ the model they are upgrading from. While us nerds might want to gauge the year-to-year gain the average consumer benefits more from it being compared to what they have (a 2-4 year old device).

This method also lets people upgrade whenever they want (“on ramps” every year) vs having to wait X years for the next release or having to replace a broken phone with a N-2 year version because new phones only come out ever few years.

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