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Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by foobar_______ »

rkou wrote: post #21

And what about the future of social media? This is such devious, but increasingly obvious, narrative crafting by a commercial entity that has proven itself adversarial to an open and decentralized internet / ideas and knowledge economy. The argument goes as follows: - The future of AI is open source and decentralized - We want to win the future of AI instead, become a central leader and player in the collective open-…

It has been clear from the beginning that Meta's supposed desire for an open source AI, is just a coping mechanism for the fact that got beat out of the gate. This is an attempt to commoditize AI and reduce OpenAI/Google/Whoever's advantage. It is effective, not doubt, but all this wankery about how noble they are for creating an open-source AI future is just bullshit.

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Post by Calvin02 »

rkou wrote: post #21

And what about the future of social media? This is such devious, but increasingly obvious, narrative crafting by a commercial entity that has proven itself adversarial to an open and decentralized internet / ideas and knowledge economy. The argument goes as follows: - The future of AI is open source and decentralized - We want to win the future of AI instead, become a central leader and player in the collective open-…

Doesn’t Threads and Fediverse indicate that they are headed that way for social as well?

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Post by bee_rider »

rkou wrote: post #21

And what about the future of social media? This is such devious, but increasingly obvious, narrative crafting by a commercial entity that has proven itself adversarial to an open and decentralized internet / ideas and knowledge economy. The argument goes as follows: - The future of AI is open source and decentralized - We want to win the future of AI instead, become a central leader and player in the collective open-…

> Read the terms of use / contract for Meta AI products. If you deploy it, some producer finds the model spits out copyrighted content, knocks on Meta's door, Meta will point to you for the rest of the court case. If that's the future for AI, then it doesn't really matter whether China wins.

As much as I hate Facebook, I think that seems pretty… reasonable? These AI tools are just tools. If somebody uses a crayon to violate copyright, the crayon is not to blame, and certainly the crayon company is not, the person using it is.

The fact that Facebook won’t voluntarily take liability for any thing their users’ users’ might do with their software means that software might not be useable in some cases. It is a reason to avoid that software if you have one of those use cases.

But I think if you find some company that says “yes, we’ll be responsible for anything your users do with with our product,” I mean… that seems like a hard promise to take seriously, right?

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by bugglebeetle »

exe34 wrote: post #22
jsheard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's plenty of open source AI out there that isn't Meta. It's just not as good. To my knowledge all of the notable open source models are subsidised by corporations in one way or another, whether by being the side project of a mega-corp which can absorb the loss (Meta) or coasting on investor hype (Mistral, Stability). Neither of those give me much confidence that they will continue forever, especially the latte…

if you can do 100x more efficient training with open source, closeAI can simply take that and train a model that's 100x bigger/longer/more tokens.

AKA why Unsloth is now YC backed for their even better (but closed source) fine-tuning.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by rkou »

troupo wrote: post #26

I've had as a comment to a comment, but I'll repost it at the top level: They use "open source" to whitewash their image. Now ask yourself a question: where does Meta's data come from? Perhaps from their users' data? And they opted everyone in by default. And made the opt-out process as cumbersome as possible: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1794863603964891567.html And now complain that the EU is preventing them…

Also known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openwashing

> In 2012, Red Hat Inc. accused VMWare Inc. and Microsoft Corp. of openwashing in relation to their cloud products.[6] Red Hat claimed that VMWare and Microsoft were marketing their cloud products as open source, despite charging fees per machine using the cloud products.

Other companies are way more careful using "open source" in relation to their AI models. Meta now practically owns the term "Open Source AI" for whatever they take it to mean, might as well call it Meta AI and be done with it: https://opensource.org/blog/metas-llama-2-license-is-not-ope...

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

rkou wrote: post #21

And what about the future of social media? This is such devious, but increasingly obvious, narrative crafting by a commercial entity that has proven itself adversarial to an open and decentralized internet / ideas and knowledge economy. The argument goes as follows: - The future of AI is open source and decentralized - We want to win the future of AI instead, become a central leader and player in the collective open-…

If it was really open-source you'd be able to just train one yourself.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by rkou »

bee_rider wrote: post #35
rkou wrote: post #21

And what about the future of social media? This is such devious, but increasingly obvious, narrative crafting by a commercial entity that has proven itself adversarial to an open and decentralized internet / ideas and knowledge economy. The argument goes as follows: - The future of AI is open source and decentralized - We want to win the future of AI instead, become a central leader and player in the collective open-…

> Read the terms of use / contract for Meta AI products. If you deploy it, some producer finds the model spits out copyrighted content, knocks on Meta's door, Meta will point to you for the rest of the court case. If that's the future for AI, then it doesn't really matter whether China wins. As much as I hate Facebook, I think that seems pretty… reasonable? These AI tools are just tools. If somebody uses a crayon to…

AI safety is expensive, or even impossible, by releasing your models for local inference (not behind API). Meta AI shifts the responsibility of highly-general highly-capable AI models to smaller developers, putting ethics, safety, legal, and guard-rails responsibility on innovators who want to innovate with AI (without having the knowledge or resources to do so by themselves) as an "open-source" hacking project.

While Mark claims his Open Source AI is safer, because fully transparent and many eyes make all bugs shallow, the latest technical report makes mention of an internal, secret, benchmark that had to be developed, because available benchmarks did not suffice at that level of capabilities. For child abuse generation, it only makes mention that it investigated this, not any results of these tests or conditions under which it possibly failed. They shove all this liability on the developer, while claiming any positive goodwill generated.

It completely loses their motivation to care for AI safety and ethics if fines don't punish them, but those who used the library to build.

Reasonable for Meta? Yes. Reasonable for us to nod along when they misuse open source to accomplish this? No.

Re: Meta AI: "The Future of AI Is Open Source and Decentralized"

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Post by zwijnsberg »

dzonga wrote: post #27

the reason - i'm a little bearish on AI is due to its cost. small companies won't innovate on models if they don't have billions to burn to train the models. yet when you look back at history, things that were revolutionary, it was due to low cost of production. web, bicycles, cars, steam engine cars etc.

yet if the weights are made public, smaller companies can leverage these pretrained models can't they?
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