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Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by cowholio4 »

kamaal wrote: post #5

I started using Perl around 2006'ish, that was pretty late in the day compared to most Perl hackers. I was primarily a C/C++ Dev, going the OO way. And I was doing Java here and there. Until one morning a colleague of mine, saw me doing some stuff I was taking really long to finish. He just walked up to my cubicle and just said 'Why dont you use Perl to do this' and then started my crazy journey with Perl. What I rea…

Thanks for the interesting insight.

There has also been quite a bit of change in the perl Web Framework world as well. IMHO Catalyst is no longer king. Mojolicious has really taken the spotlight. It's fast, the community behind it is really creative and it supports websockets. :D Mojo really does make perl web development fun again.

There is also a Sinatra inspired framework, Dancer.

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by r4vik »

I actually own the domain modernperl,net, for trollish reasons actually (www.modernperl.net redirects to Ruby) but if anyone wants it / wants to do something useful with it. I'd be happy to transfer it to you for free.

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by sliverstorm »

chernevik wrote: post #20

I'm torn between thinking there is value in learning some Perl and not really knowing that value might be. I've found a lot of embedded wisdom in the "old school" stack. If you edit in vi, add some sed / awk / grep, and learn some bash, you'll find these tools start to come together and leverage one another up substantially. Perl might be more post-Bell Labs but it still was written and used by smart people to Get St…

I wouldn't sweat it if you are happy with Python. I haven't tried Python myself- I use Perl- but speaking to co-workers who prefer Python, when it comes to a glue language the two appear to be fairly interchangeable. There are some differences, but if all we are talking is glue, just go with what you like.

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by hippich »

r4vik wrote: post #32

I actually own the domain modernperl,net, for trollish reasons actually (www.modernperl.net redirects to Ruby) but if anyone wants it / wants to do something useful with it. I'd be happy to transfer it to you for free.

I think you might want to contact chromatic so this domain could be setup to redirect to his http://modernperlbooks.com/mt/index.html

He gives away his ebook for free, so I guess giving him free domain might be very good for your karma :)

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by hippich »

smugengineer69 wrote: post #8

What is modern Perl? Python. (I'll elaborate more here from my earlier one-word answer). Long-time perl programmer here, until I found Python. Perl is powerful, but Perl is for the programmer, not the programmer's coworkers. It's not even for the programmer 6 months down the line. This is nothing new, and it has become a stereotype in the community. Yes, this argument has been made and refuted many times, but I argue…

There is advantage of Perl developers tho. If I hire perl dev I know for sure he is language addict and do stuff efficiently. Because perl developers use Perl not because it paid well (like ruby), but because they like it.

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by jimmytucson »

smugengineer69 wrote: post #8

What is modern Perl? Python. (I'll elaborate more here from my earlier one-word answer). Long-time perl programmer here, until I found Python. Perl is powerful, but Perl is for the programmer, not the programmer's coworkers. It's not even for the programmer 6 months down the line. This is nothing new, and it has become a stereotype in the community. Yes, this argument has been made and refuted many times, but I argue…

    > What is modern Perl? Python.
Ah, 'fraid not.

I am also a Perl to Python refugee. For most applications I get far more enjoyment out of Python. But try implementing Higher Order Perl in Python and you won't get past Chapter 1 without some weirdness. Using decorators, lambda, map, reduce, itertools, even generators all feel like bending over backwards to achieve what comes naturally in Perl.

This isn't an attack on Python. I'm just saying, Python is not meant for functional programming any more than Perl excels at OO, and that's why I disagree with your thesis.

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by pyre »

smugengineer69 wrote: post #8

What is modern Perl? Python. (I'll elaborate more here from my earlier one-word answer). Long-time perl programmer here, until I found Python. Perl is powerful, but Perl is for the programmer, not the programmer's coworkers. It's not even for the programmer 6 months down the line. This is nothing new, and it has become a stereotype in the community. Yes, this argument has been made and refuted many times, but I argue…

As a Perl and Python developer, I would have to say that my limited experience with Ruby gives me the impression that it's closer to Perl than Python is.

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by berntb »

jimmytucson wrote: post #36
smugengineer69 wrote: post #8

What is modern Perl? Python. (I'll elaborate more here from my earlier one-word answer). Long-time perl programmer here, until I found Python. Perl is powerful, but Perl is for the programmer, not the programmer's coworkers. It's not even for the programmer 6 months down the line. This is nothing new, and it has become a stereotype in the community. Yes, this argument has been made and refuted many times, but I argue…

> What is modern Perl? Python. Ah, 'fraid not. I am also a Perl to Python refugee. For most applications I get far more enjoyment out of Python. But try implementing Higher Order Perl in Python and you won't get past Chapter 1 without some weirdness. Using decorators, lambda, map, reduce, itertools, even generators all feel like bending over backwards to achieve what comes naturally in Perl. This isn't an attack on P…

>>any more than Perl excels at OO

Check Moose and related on CPAN, modern Perl has probably the best OO among the usual scripting languages (Python, PHP, Ruby, etc).

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by darklajid »

alrondy wrote: post #7

In perl culture, "Modern Perl" refers to bad programming by a core group of egocentric, sanctimonious developers who are to Perl what Lennart Poettering is to Linux. There are now dozens of CPAN modules with names like "common::sense" and "Modern::Perl" that provide no useful code, but introduce packaging dependencies and administrative overhead in the name of not having to type "use strict;" out by hand. Modern Perl…

Way to go to start your career here. Would your opinion be still valid without attacks on 'random' (as in totally unrelated) people?

Your post might've been a well founded rant against the topic at hand, unfortunately you've lost any credibility by default when you added specific and personal insults. Poor taste..

Re: What is Modern Perl

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Post by prakashk »

alrondy wrote: post #7

In perl culture, "Modern Perl" refers to bad programming by a core group of egocentric, sanctimonious developers who are to Perl what Lennart Poettering is to Linux. There are now dozens of CPAN modules with names like "common::sense" and "Modern::Perl" that provide no useful code, but introduce packaging dependencies and administrative overhead in the name of not having to type "use strict;" out by hand. Modern Perl…

"Modern Perl" does not necessarily equals "use Modern::Perl;".
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