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Titan Submersible Marine Board of Investigation
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#32The Basic Factual Information presentation is pretty astonishing. There were so many opportunities to stop and reflect on what a bad idea this whole enterprise was. During the prototype phase: "June 2019: OceanGate pilot visually identified a large crack on the internal surface of the carbon fiber hull." "October 2019: TITAN tested at Deep Ocean Test Facility. Hull showed signs of fatigue, hull derated to 3000M." On…
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
"At some point, safety is just pure waste." -- Stockton Rush, OceanGate CEO. The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him.
>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him. No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all . People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopath…
Actually, sociopaths don’t just lack empathy, there’s actual cognitive impairment involved in terms of judging risks and outcomes.
> People with ASPD don’t care very much about other people’s well-being. They may take risks that jeopardize their own safety and others’.
https://therapist.com/personality/sociopathy/
Disregarding consequences, acting impulsively, etc are major signs. So no disregarding safety concerns and getting into an unsafe situation really is sociopathic behavior.
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#34I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…
Insurance.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps the employees. Anybody working on it knew there wasn’t enough testing, so they could be held personally liable.
The employees are the ones "who labeled [the] experimental submersible unsafe prior to its last, fatal voyage," and are "testify[ing] Tuesday before U.S. Coast Guard investigators" [1]. [1] https://apnews.com/article/titan-submersible-implosion-heari...
Some, yes. Fortunately. Also there was another owner I believe.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The guy sounds like the epitome of the sociopathic CEO. Smartest guy in the room, knows better than all the trained, experienced engineers who urged caution. Too bad his passengers listened to him. No, he doesn't sounds sociopathic at all . People who "know better" than all the specialists aren't showing a sociopathic personality trait at all. Arrogance and stupidity, perhaps, but those aren't equated with sociopath…
Actually, sociopaths don’t just lack empathy, there’s actual cognitive impairment involved in terms of judging risks and outcomes. > People with ASPD don’t care very much about other people’s well-being. They may take risks that jeopardize their own safety and others’. https://therapist.com/personality/sociopathy/ Disregarding consequences, acting impulsively, etc are major signs. So no disregarding safety concerns a…
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#37I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…
So, a DEAD person is suing a company, and what you see as a problem with that scenario is that the DEAD person will never see those 50 million because the company, that this DEAD person is sueing, does not have that kind of cash?
The dead person has next of kin, who would see the money if it exists. The signature on the lawsuit is somewhat of a formality.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not too late by a long shot. Just keep insisting on the actual meaning; same for "terrorist", "facist", etc.
Good luck at parties....
You can fight the good fight in social situations too, you just have to come at it sideways and make people laugh rather than engaging in head-on pedantry.
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#40I just saw a news headline that the estate of the oceanographer who died on the Titan is suing the company for $50M. How exactly is this possible? Who are they suing? I didn't think there even was an OceanGate company in existence any more: their founder is dead, and no one in their right mind would ride on one of their subs any more, so what assets do they even have to sue for? They weren't some big tech company wit…
In the US you can sue anybody for anything. If its not completely and absolutely spurios it will get at least a hearing.
Of course, you can hire a lawyer and sue anybody for anything. But hiring that lawyer and filing court motions costs money, so there's no point if the entity you're suing has no money. That's why I was curious, but according to other posts here, it does seem there might be at least some money to go after.