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Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by mediumsmart »

hk1337 wrote: post #29

I may get some naysayers for this, maybe because I'm on macOS and not Linux or Windows but... Two features I love about Safari is: - Pinch/Zoom to view all my tabs as windows to switch between tabs - What at least appears to be total isolation between tabs when in private browsing mode. If I login to Facebook in one tab, then open up a new tab and go to Facebook, it will not see me as logged in. Chrome nor Firefox ha…

I did not know that thanks, been using Orion for a while now as my main browser and, oh wait, yes same thing. very nice. I only used firefox to test local webdev projects and still switched to librewolf which is fine. And I have a chrome browser so it can pull up the results of a local lighthouse test but that is it.

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by bornfreddy »

cuu508 wrote: post #26
causality0 wrote: post #23

I wish someone would release a good mobile fork. Firefox Mobile probably has the worst UX of any mobile browser I've used since 2009 and I'm convinced whatever intern they have locked in a closet coding it doesn't use it themselves. It's as if they used a supercomputer to predict user behavior for the sole purpose of making sure their obnoxious purple toast messages cover the exact button you need to use and that the…

What are your main gripes?

Not GP, but mine are:

- I open link in new tab, a button to switch to it appears - and disappears right before I manage to click it (unless I'm on redbull, then it's fine). Every. Single. Time.

- extensions - why do I need to create my own list of extension and publish it, just to include some extension Mozilla didn't approve? It's not like they are checking them much anyway.

- stop the telemetry. Seriously. If I wanted someone spying on me I would have used Chrome. And even worse, stop contacting Google (firebaseinstallations.googleapis.com)! I'm blocking it all with NetGuard, but it's annoying knowing I can't trust the browser.

Not much else really. It works pretty nicely once you have the obligatory uBlock Origin installed and blocking in NetGuard set up.

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by Dwedit »

There is a fork of Pale Moon that is compatible with Windows XP called "New Moon". It's based on Palemoon 28.10.7a1. While an old version of the browser, it is still compatible with modern websites, such as Github.

It is available at http://o.rthost.win/palemoon/ , but make sure you don't download a 64-bit version by mistake. (Providing a non-secure http link because the MSIE version that ships with Windows XP is not compatible with modern https websites)

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by d0mine »

https://zen-browser.app/ killer features for me:

- web panel: to show/hide messenger/mail quickly. I don’t see it — no distractions — but it is instantly there when I need it - hor/vert. grid/tiling on keyboard shortcut: pair some web pages together so that they are visible/hidden at the same time - Firefox addons work (that I use) e.g., Vimium C - vertical tabs combined with compact mode that show/hides them on keyboard shortcut

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by larntz »

thayne wrote: post #13
lolinder wrote: post #2

> You can totally still stick with Firefox… but remember to download userChrome.css from GitHub. And if you want vertical tabs, be sure to install Sidebery until Mozilla get around to implementing native vertical tabs. I'm a constant critic of most things Mozilla (as well as an avid Firefox user... there's a lot of overlap in that venn diagram) and most of what this intro rails against resonates, but I'll never under…

I'd be fine with letting an extension take over that niche ... if they made an API that let it replace the horizontal tabs instead of only being able to duplicate the tabs in the sidebar. Or even a way to configure that as a user. That is how tree style tabs worked before Firefox switched to webextensions. And when Firefox switched to the we extensions API, a ticket was immediately opened requesting an API allowing h…

It's not an api, but just in case people don't know... It is possible to hide the horizontal tabs via userChrome.

https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo...

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by bornfreddy »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #27

I use ~10 desktops across the day (physical, remote and virtual). They all have Firefox (rel, ESR, nightly) as their primary browser. I also use of Ffx alts every day (presently Waterfox). I co-use Ffx alts to segment browsing - and as a quick fix for when sites develop Broken Control Syndrome. Outside of the Ffx ecosystem, I'm using Brave (today) to test Google products and deal with Google's passive-aggressive host…

> Outside of the Ffx ecosystem, I'm using Brave (today) to test Google products and deal with Google's passive-aggressive hostility to Firefox.

Well said! I do the same.

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by SlackingOff123 »

drdaeman wrote: post #19

Given that this whole "AI" integration shtick is minimal effort thing with negligibly small value (if any), I suspect it was either an attempt to just ride on "AI" hype (certainly didn't work, feedback comments are virtually univocally "AI" hate), or attempt to find new monetization source (e.g. for a default provider). My own thoughts on the AI feature: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/share-your-feedba...…

There are sooo many AI chat options to choose from[1] that I don't need my browser to provide one too. I just want my browser to be a good browser.

[1] I've been enjoying my self-hosted instance of LibreChat a lot, but I also started using Kagi's assistant lately. Besides those two I'm also using 'aichat' cli tool for quick queries, particularly for helping with cli commands since the context is already there.

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by curt15 »

hk1337 wrote: post #29

I may get some naysayers for this, maybe because I'm on macOS and not Linux or Windows but... Two features I love about Safari is: - Pinch/Zoom to view all my tabs as windows to switch between tabs - What at least appears to be total isolation between tabs when in private browsing mode. If I login to Facebook in one tab, then open up a new tab and go to Facebook, it will not see me as logged in. Chrome nor Firefox ha…

Do Firefox [temporary container tabs](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con...) fit the bill?

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by xemdetia »

hk1337 wrote: post #29

I may get some naysayers for this, maybe because I'm on macOS and not Linux or Windows but... Two features I love about Safari is: - Pinch/Zoom to view all my tabs as windows to switch between tabs - What at least appears to be total isolation between tabs when in private browsing mode. If I login to Facebook in one tab, then open up a new tab and go to Facebook, it will not see me as logged in. Chrome nor Firefox ha…

That is an interesting Safari feature for private tabs, when I start needing to have more than two levels of isolation past the non-private universe and the private universe I start using profiles. My intuition that my private tabs are logged in and I can open more tabs with the same credentials is a big part of my workflow so I never thought of needing that further isolation.

Re: Testing the Firefox Alternatives

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Post by lazyeye »

pndy wrote: post #4

Waterfox is nearly same as Librewolf; it comes with own set of additional settings and tweaks. From what I saw around some users weren't fond of the arrangements the author of the project went into (startpage, fastly) and bundling of tree tabs extension that had to be disabled by about:config entry change. Pale Moon: IIRC initially it was a fork of Firefox ESR then project switched to own Goanna engine, which in turn…

Also try the Mullvad browser which I believe is based on the TOR browser with the TOR bit removed

https://mullvad.net/en/browser

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