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Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by vladms »

yawboakye wrote: post #16
liamwire wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s awesome to see totalitarian theocracies make advances in technologies that have parallel military uses?

you seem not to like how iran is setup, which makes it absolutely necessary that they’re able to put up a resistance should people who think like you attack them. as far as the universe goes, many beliefs about ways of human society organization exist. democracy works for one, not for the other. in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country. but it has made us subservient to the west, so naturally the we…

> democracy has been the undoing of my home country ... given us nothing but misery

From what I see around the world for democracy to work it needs a certain degree of social cohesion, which some countries lack. The prevalence of some characteristics (ex: fanaticism, tribalism, corruption) are incompatible with democracy, and will ruin shortly attempts to have "working democracies".

Some western countries (not all, guess is obvious who :-p) tended to think simplistically that if the system works for them it will work for everybody so they try to "impose it".

What I have to admit now is that while this does not seem to always work, I don't consider "others" as having a much better alternative either.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by aniviacat »

liamwire wrote: post #21
yawboakye wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you seem not to like how iran is setup, which makes it absolutely necessary that they’re able to put up a resistance should people who think like you attack them. as far as the universe goes, many beliefs about ways of human society organization exist. democracy works for one, not for the other. in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country. but it has made us subservient to the west, so naturally the we…

That’s a lot of words to argue agent the right for humans to self-determine their own governance and fate. Sincerely, I see no compelling argument that can be made in support of the restrictions Iran places upon its citizens. Please make one, with specifics, if you’re interested in discussing it.

If you truly believe that people who do not follow the laws of your religion will go to eternal hell, it does make a lot of sense, and really is completely morally sound, to push others into following the laws using any means necessary.

I'm not religious myself. But in my country, if someone is actively suicidal (say they are standing on top of a building, planning to jump) they are (forcefully) stopped. I think that's a good thing. Now, of I was religious, I would believe that sinning (and therefore going to hell) would be way way way worse to do to oneself, even when compared to suicide. So just like I agree with forcefully preventing someone from following their will to commit suicide, I would probably agree with forcefully preventing people from sinning.

If you are religious (and believe that sinning = hell), these laws make a lot of sense. Perhaps they should be even harsher.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by chx »

weweersdfsd wrote: post #17
aerodog wrote: post #12

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In my experience, the people who that hate the Iranian government the most are actual Iranian citizen. That's not surprising really, because the vile theocratic government doesn't represent the values of an average Iranian, and stays in power only through violence. It's a nation with lots of awesome people and culture, but a horrible government.

Certainly a lot of factors went into the destabilization of the Middle East but nothing beats France letting Khomeini leave in 1979.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by exe34 »

yawboakye wrote: post #16
liamwire wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s awesome to see totalitarian theocracies make advances in technologies that have parallel military uses?

you seem not to like how iran is setup, which makes it absolutely necessary that they’re able to put up a resistance should people who think like you attack them. as far as the universe goes, many beliefs about ways of human society organization exist. democracy works for one, not for the other. in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country. but it has made us subservient to the west, so naturally the we…

the people usually want democracy, but the leaders prefer autocracy.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by Rinzler89 »

compsciphd wrote: post #30
niemandhier wrote: post #3

I wish Iran and Israel could just resolve their issues by competing who reaches the moon first or who can dig the deepest hole.

Iran and Israel did get along before the Islamic revolution.

Edit after walthamstow's Feedback: The Islamic revolution which was a consequence of the CIAs interference?

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by The_Colonel »

yawboakye wrote: post #16
liamwire wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s awesome to see totalitarian theocracies make advances in technologies that have parallel military uses?

you seem not to like how iran is setup, which makes it absolutely necessary that they’re able to put up a resistance should people who think like you attack them. as far as the universe goes, many beliefs about ways of human society organization exist. democracy works for one, not for the other. in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country. but it has made us subservient to the west, so naturally the we…

> in fact, democracy has been the undoing of my home country

Are you sure that it's the democracy which is the cause of your country's trouble?

If we consider the counterfactual scenario where your country was not democratic, instead ruled either by some autocrat, theocracy, military junta or something similar, how would that go? While you can find examples of dysfunctional democracies, it still appears to have a better success rate than non-democratic systems.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by perihelions »

The smaller-diameter versions of their solid-fuel missiles were recently shipped to Russia and will (US assesses) be used against Ukraine and Ukrainian civilians in the coming weeks.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/39...

I'll keep to myself my thoughts on the Iranian ballistic missile program, because they're off topic for HN. I'm not going to be celebrating this achievement.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by ChocolateGod »

aerodog wrote: post #13
niemandhier wrote: post #3

I wish Iran and Israel could just resolve their issues by competing who reaches the moon first or who can dig the deepest hole.

Israel has won the hole competition

But what about the best Fajitas competition?

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by delta_p_delta_x »

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #6
liamwire wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s awesome to see totalitarian theocracies make advances in technologies that have parallel military uses?

The totalitarian Theocracy is 40 years old- one generation. Before that it was and always has been the Persians. Intellectual powerhouse of the middle east. Cairo-Bhagdad-Teheran - that was were its at, before they ran into the regions resource limit and adapted a religion that is great at eternal, zero-sum wars and paranoid delusions about external influence and bad at everything else.

> before they ran into the regions resource limit and adapted a religion

They didn't 'run into the regions [sic] resource limit and adapt a religion'; said religion was forced upon them by the sword. Iran's state religion (if you could call it that) was Zoroastrianism. There are zero Zoroastrians left in Iran; most of them have fled to... India. And said religion ripped through the Indian subcontinent, too; it is why Pakistan and Bangladesh are separate nations today.

Re: Iran successfully launches indigenous Chamran 1 satellite into space

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Post by walthamstow »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #35
compsciphd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran and Israel did get along before the Islamic revolution.

Edit after walthamstow's Feedback: The Islamic revolution which was a consequence of the CIAs interference?

The Islamic revolution was blowback from the CIA/MI6 coup of the 1950s, and was not desired or engineered by the US.

The US and UK were actually quite happy with the Shah they installed, he allowed western access to Iran's oil.

Edit: the post I'm replying to has been heavily edited.

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