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Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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post #18

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Intel and Nvidia are competitors. Intel makes CPUs and is trying to grow its GPU strengths. Nvidia makes GPUs and is trying to grow its CPU base.

Microsoft bought shares of Apple when it was on its knees. The foundry business doesn't compete with Nvidia.

Microsoft bought Apple shares for their own benefit instead of for supporting a competitor (it was too cheap for them and they could argue not a monpoly).

Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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Is this this article really stating "Wall Street is upset at Intel because they are not Nvidia" ? If I had to guess, I think the above is true. Well too bad Wall Street :) If Intel is really in bad shape, then maybe it is time for some form of nationalization.

"...shrivelled to $84bn, less than the value of its plants and equipment..." Hints at private equity sharks might start circling. Splitting chip design and fabrication would align with how most of the industry operates. Get very good at chip design or fabrication.

The era of WinTel is over. Megalithic data centers tend not to use MS OS and thus are free to choose AMD and increasingly ARM CPUs. For Intel to rush into AI would be, too little, too late.

Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel and Nvidia are competitors. Intel makes CPUs and is trying to grow its GPU strengths. Nvidia makes GPUs and is trying to grow its CPU base.

Microsoft bought shares of Apple when it was on its knees. The foundry business doesn't compete with Nvidia.

Intel's foundry business doesn't exactly complement NVIDIA, either, so there's no reason for NVIDIA to help prop up Intel.

Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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If Intel is critical to the US industrial base, why aren't Nvidia and Apple stepping up to support Intel? What is the point of $3T national champions like Apple and Nvidia if they ship the industrial base overseas.

Intel and Nvidia are competitors. Intel makes CPUs and is trying to grow its GPU strengths. Nvidia makes GPUs and is trying to grow its CPU base.

Intel does so much more than CPUs, relatively speaking Nvidia is a one-trick pony.

Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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post #3

Intel being on life support is a bit of a stretch. They are investing an awful lot of money, and it's going to take time for those investments to pay off. I worry more about their inept handling of recent CPU bugs than I do about their stock price or reduced dividends.

I worry about selling off large chunks of their business for short term stock gains, and halting modernization and new fab builds. It's just weird. Upper management is panicking, totally the wrong message to send.

Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

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> why aren't Nvidia and Apple stepping up to support Intel? Is it the role of a for-profit public company to "support" another for-profit public company? Free market, supply and demand, live by the sword die by the sword and all that. If Intel made decisions that lead to it's downfall, surely that is on them.

> Is it the role of a for-profit public company to "support" another for-profit public company? It is (or it can be) if you want to avoid antitrust lawsuits. Same reason Microsoft bailed out Apple in the 90s.

Microsoft spent peanuts (for them) on Apple stock in the 90s. Saving Intel will take much more than that for anyone.

Not to mention that Apple had atleast a salvageable IP if done well. Nobody else could compete with them on shipping MacOS machines. Intel has no such moat.

Re: Intel is on life support. Can anything save it?

#39

Intel is utterly massive and owns their own fabs. Companies that large don't collapse in a day unless there is some illegal shenanigans going on.

General Motors and General Electric are two large companies that slowly became much much less relevant. Intel's collapse if it comes will also have been a decade+ in the making.
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