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Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Seems wrong that Ireland cheated the system to attract tech companies then also gets a huge payout.

The idea was that these big companies will move back to the big centers (Paris/Frankfurt) once they have to pay the same taxes. That didn't happen (surprise) and Ireland is now ending up with a tax deluge and high value tech companies.

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

#32

Why is it Apple that has to pay for what Ireland did wrong? Genuinely curious here, it's not like Ireland is some random dude on the internet selling stolen goods and Apple should've known better.

First line of the judgement: “Ireland granted Apple unlawful aid which Ireland is required to recover”

But Ireland refused, so the fault still lies with Ireland in this case. I mean the EU is full of tax elimination or subsidies for targeted companies, far beyond this case, so it seems that this is more about Apple than the actual taxes.

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Good. Not because I particularly dilike Apple or big US tech firms (I have a whole bunch of Apple stuff right here), but because Ireland has been able to undermine the tax regime of the whole EU, by giving these sweetheart tax deals to big firms, who can then run their entire EU business from there. This gives an unfair tax advantage to the multinationals over homegrown EU companies, skewing the market. Is it Apple's…

Yeah, agreed, Apple is simply doing what any corporation does, trying to do business as profitably as possible. The only tar bucket you should be having handy is for Ireland for trying to screw over the whole rest of EU.

Well they're not trying to screw over the rest of Europe. They're just gaining a competitive advantage by offering favorable deals. Its something that countries have been doing for much of their existence. To claim their screwing over the rest of Europe is just anti-competitive nonsense. The Netherlands does the same stuff just not as successfully

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Why do you give Apple the leeway to do what a company has to and not Ireland to do what a country has to succeed that's very hypocritical of you.

Because Ireland has joined the EU and knowingly chosen to participate in treaties pertaining to the shared market. If Ireland wanted to leave the EU then it would be free to do so, then it can cut Apple all the tax breaks it wants. However as is, Ireland is trying to please two masters at the same time and the court cases seem pretty clear about how that is going for them.

Apple willingly sold in the eu then found loopholes to save on tax. They created shell corporratioms to save on tax yeah Apple is correct and Ireland is only one in the wrong.

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Good. Not because I particularly dilike Apple or big US tech firms (I have a whole bunch of Apple stuff right here), but because Ireland has been able to undermine the tax regime of the whole EU, by giving these sweetheart tax deals to big firms, who can then run their entire EU business from there. This gives an unfair tax advantage to the multinationals over homegrown EU companies, skewing the market. Is it Apple's…

What about Luxembourg?

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Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First line of the judgement: “Ireland granted Apple unlawful aid which Ireland is required to recover”

But Ireland refused, so the fault still lies with Ireland in this case. I mean the EU is full of tax elimination or subsidies for targeted companies, far beyond this case, so it seems that this is more about Apple than the actual taxes.

What are you arguing exactly? This isn't punishment or fine, this is paying what they should have all along.

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you give Apple the leeway to do what a company has to and not Ireland to do what a country has to succeed that's very hypocritical of you.

It's not, because Ireland chose to be part of the EU which its actions are undermining. Also, we accept the fact that in capitalism companies have the goal to maximize profit, but the purpose of a country is not to maximize tax income compared to others

Yeah the purpose of a country is to maximize the opportunity of its citizens which is exactly what Ireland is doing. They're not trying to maximize tax income otherwise they would have a higher rate

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

#38
What does "illegal" mean? Why is it in quotes? Did they break the law or not? If they didn't break the law, if they adhered to the deal they negotiated with Ireland, isn't this a dangerous precedent? You can just ignore deals because you (EU) said so?

Edit: Please downvote me if you must but also post a comment about why I'm wrong. Thanks!

Re: Apple must pay 13B euros in back taxes, EU's top court rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you give Apple the leeway to do what a company has to and not Ireland to do what a country has to succeed that's very hypocritical of you.

It's not, because Ireland chose to be part of the EU which its actions are undermining. Also, we accept the fact that in capitalism companies have the goal to maximize profit, but the purpose of a country is not to maximize tax income compared to others

A country purpose is to give the best living conditions to its population if that means collecting more tax without directly taxing it population then they are using the most optimum method just like apple with its shell corporations. My problem is with neither rather people giving apple and other corporations hand away absolution for their behavior just because capitalism
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